I flew Ryan Air and survived - just
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Is this the only industry where the customer is always WRONG?
Personally I'm thankfull for all Low Cost Carriers, making travelling so much cheaper and available. If you don't like their service, don't fly them. But I just love the opportunity to Fly RDM - DUB for next to nothing, just to pop in by same mates overthere.
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Yep that's right Mr NL. Flying has become like the fast food industry.
But not everyone wants to eat burgers all the time.
Such is the impact of LoCos that they are undermining the other choices.
When all you have are LoCos / Fast Food, there is no choice and it will be no use saying 'don't use them' there will be no alternative.
Where next? Fat people pay extra for the extra fuel they use?
There has to be a 'middle way' between the 'abusive extreme model' of Ryanair and the 'rip off model' of BA and their like.
But not everyone wants to eat burgers all the time.
Such is the impact of LoCos that they are undermining the other choices.
When all you have are LoCos / Fast Food, there is no choice and it will be no use saying 'don't use them' there will be no alternative.
Where next? Fat people pay extra for the extra fuel they use?
There has to be a 'middle way' between the 'abusive extreme model' of Ryanair and the 'rip off model' of BA and their like.
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I have never flew with Fr, so can't comment on there in-flight service (or lack of it), but have experience of them on there TR. As for the massive qeaues at check in this probably stems for the fact that FR only pays for a certain amount of check in desks. At my airport it is only two. as you can probably imagine checking in 189 pax with only two check in desks in 2 hours is no mean feat. This problem is only compounded by the fact that they also will not pay for computerised check in (not sure if this is the case at stn with FR having such a large presence). As far as the scrum to get on board, this stems for very tight TR times were the groundstaff are under pressure to get the pax on and off as quick as possible. As you will appreciate it is easier to just open a door and let everybody out as oppose to trying to make everybody sit down and board by boarding card numbers. Yes, this may not be ideal but as others have said you get what you pay for.
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Obviously worrying that I have nothing better to do than look at BA and FR prices in September but that is really stretching it. Maybe on one day you can just about make BA cheaper, but the other 29 days FR is cheaper and often significantly so. There are certainly ways FR 'could do better' but cost is not one of them.
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Wrong target!
Seems to me that most of your problems stem from the fact that the pax were mainly Italian, not that you flew Ryanair. I have had similar experiences on very expensive airlines. BTW I bet the guy (or gal) swiggin whisky from a 2 litre bottle was NOT an Italian.
Italians are gregarious, noisy, and undisciplined, BUT they adore children, will help you out if you are in trouble, share their food even if they don't have that much themselves and are generally human and in fact, social and polite.
When our kids were small we always went to italian restaurants - mum and dad could eat in peace while the waiter or waitress paraded around the restaurant holding the bambini. In England we just got "NO CHILDREN" signs.
They are not queuers. I once forgot my ski boots up at the first cable car station in Courmayeur (Italy) and we had to leave. There was a long snake queue. I ducked under the barriers saying "Permesso per favore, scarpi" ('scuse please, boots) and was ushered right to the front.
The only problem came from the mutterings, nay insults, of vinegary Brits. Give me Italians any day. (BTW I'm English).
Italians are gregarious, noisy, and undisciplined, BUT they adore children, will help you out if you are in trouble, share their food even if they don't have that much themselves and are generally human and in fact, social and polite.
When our kids were small we always went to italian restaurants - mum and dad could eat in peace while the waiter or waitress paraded around the restaurant holding the bambini. In England we just got "NO CHILDREN" signs.
They are not queuers. I once forgot my ski boots up at the first cable car station in Courmayeur (Italy) and we had to leave. There was a long snake queue. I ducked under the barriers saying "Permesso per favore, scarpi" ('scuse please, boots) and was ushered right to the front.
The only problem came from the mutterings, nay insults, of vinegary Brits. Give me Italians any day. (BTW I'm English).
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BA prices cannot be bettered by Ryanair on flights to CDG, BRU, FRA
Note that I said locos, Ryanair does plough its own furrow (secondary airports) and as such cannot be truly compared to BA, but many of the other locos can and comparison suggests that they are not operating a rip off model.
That, no more or less, what my point.
And I do agree with you that Ryanair are often significantly cheaper than MANY other airlines.
I've just booked a last minute BA C fare LHR/BRU and it was GBP442.50, but if I was prepared to travel at non peak times, I could have got a Y seat for under 200, which is not bad for a last minute booking.
Ryanair, same dates, (from PIK, as no STN flt) would be 99 & charges out and no availability back, so BA doesn't look too bad by comparison.
BA prices cannot be bettered by Ryanair on flights to CDG, BRU, FRA
Note that I said locos, Ryanair does plough its own furrow (secondary airports) and as such cannot be truly compared to BA, but many of the other locos can and comparison suggests that they are not operating a rip off model.
That, no more or less, what my point.
And I do agree with you that Ryanair are often significantly cheaper than MANY other airlines.
I've just booked a last minute BA C fare LHR/BRU and it was GBP442.50, but if I was prepared to travel at non peak times, I could have got a Y seat for under 200, which is not bad for a last minute booking.
Ryanair, same dates, (from PIK, as no STN flt) would be 99 & charges out and no availability back, so BA doesn't look too bad by comparison.
Italians don't queue. I have never had a priority boarding based on check-in number coming back from Italy.
Italians take ages to settle down as they carefully fold their designer jackets into the overheads.
Italians are gregarious and noisy. The still tend to applaud succesful landings.
They are polite, friendly, well mannered and helpful, and as said before, the whisky swigger would not be Italian.
As fpr the rest, Ryanair is a basic, cheap bus service. It does what it says on the tin.
Italians take ages to settle down as they carefully fold their designer jackets into the overheads.
Italians are gregarious and noisy. The still tend to applaud succesful landings.
They are polite, friendly, well mannered and helpful, and as said before, the whisky swigger would not be Italian.
As fpr the rest, Ryanair is a basic, cheap bus service. It does what it says on the tin.
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If people started costing their time and travel from airport, how often do locos using secondary airports measure up. Likes of Ryanair to Milan(Bergammo) for example when I actually want to go and work in Milan is a nonsense. Fine if I actually wanted to go to Bergammo but I dont. Ezy not so bad but they use Linate. And I've just managed to get tickets to Nice with BA cheaper than Ezy were offering.
However I am glad the locos are out there. I can still remember flying to Barcelona with BA back in the late 80s and cheapest Y class at any time of year with that dreaded compulsory Satueday night stay - a touch under £350!
However I am glad the locos are out there. I can still remember flying to Barcelona with BA back in the late 80s and cheapest Y class at any time of year with that dreaded compulsory Satueday night stay - a touch under £350!
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Fair point, manintheback, but Bergamo is only a mile further out than Malpensa, where plenty of non-loco flights end up. Whenever I go to Milan, I always make sure to use Linate, but I guess a lot of folks that aren't regulars don't realise the difference.
