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I do remember a Flying Tigers Connie ditching just off Ireland (I think) back in the late 50's or early 60's with US Military families on board and everybody survived. I was living in England at the time, however, I can't remember any details other than the above.
Well, now that I am thinking about it I do remember my father (Air Force Pilot) telling me that the captain had moved everyone to the front of the airplane because the tail section of the Connie had a tendency to brake off on ditching.
Okay, on further research it was flight 923 (I believe) and 28 people died and 48 lived, so I stand corrected.
(Ain't Google great!
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Well, now that I am thinking about it I do remember my father (Air Force Pilot) telling me that the captain had moved everyone to the front of the airplane because the tail section of the Connie had a tendency to brake off on ditching.
Okay, on further research it was flight 923 (I believe) and 28 people died and 48 lived, so I stand corrected.
(Ain't Google great!
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Ozzy, see http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tec...Antillean).asp for a story of a ditching and http://www.airsafe.com/journal/issue6.htm#contents for a few more.
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I can never understand the announcement:
"in the unlikely event of us landing on water"
Darned unlikely - Unless it's an old seaplane, you don't land on water, you crash
Perhaps Flaps can advise on this - seeing as she seems to be up early in the morning,and still Prooning at disgusting hours at night (well, it's 23:40 here
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"in the unlikely event of us landing on water"
Darned unlikely - Unless it's an old seaplane, you don't land on water, you crash
Perhaps Flaps can advise on this - seeing as she seems to be up early in the morning,and still Prooning at disgusting hours at night (well, it's 23:40 here
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My only real worry is that, in the (unlikely) drop in cabin pressure, when I pull the mask to start the oxygen flowing (see, I do listen to the pre-flight briefing...) the little transparent plastic hose will snap and I'll end up looking blankly at a stupid yellow mask with said hose hanging desperately down, wondering if the principle of survival of the fittest justify my grabbing hysterically the mask of the fat woman sitting next to me, while jabbing my fingers in her eyes to keep her from taking it back.
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Didn't a DC9 ditch in the 70's where the majority of passengers survived.
I think the aircraft ran out of fuel over the Carribbean Sea when he couldn't land after several attempts in bad weather and didn't have enough reserves to reach his alternates.
I think the aircraft ran out of fuel over the Carribbean Sea when he couldn't land after several attempts in bad weather and didn't have enough reserves to reach his alternates.
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I hear a lot of US pax now carry their own personal emergency smoke hoods etc. Maybe there's a market out there for some sort of 'multi-airbag bodysuit'? It worked for those Mars rover thinggies...sort of?! 
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Thanks Flaps, interesting reading but thankfully these are rare events. Scary that a number of pax were unable to remove their life vests from the container below the seats.
Hanger3, you are thinking of the flight detailed in the first of Flaps links above.
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Hanger3, you are thinking of the flight detailed in the first of Flaps links above.
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead
Keeps the head attached to make the dental ID easier.....
If they don't know who I am, how do they know who my dentist is.............. ?
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Hey, that's right! Everyone complains about the fingerprints databases, the DNA databases etc. because they might infringe civil liberties. But there must be a bleedin' humongous 'dental' database out there by all account...?! 
Now, why have I always hated dentists...?
Now, why have I always hated dentists...?
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As an ex matelot (24 years before the mast). When ever I flew Crab Air, and in those days it was a VC10. All the seats faced to the rear. Was this mearly a milatary thing or did the civvy versions also have rear facing seats. Also when I flew out of Gib the seats opposite me by the (let me out quick) exit also faced to the rear. This I can see was to give the space by the door to do a runner when the plane got in to difficulties. This was on a Dan Dare 737 I believe.
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No - it was only "Crab-Air" that used this config - I remember walking to the flight deck of the VC-10s through the empty aircraft before the pax boarded, that the seats were strictly "civvie config" on BOAC.
Now the Dart Herald, DID have @ss-facing seats - I think they were in row 1, where the occupants of the first 2 rows had a table between them - bit like British Rail - so they could have a meeting whilst flying - if they could hear themselves above the prop noise
(The VC-10 was in the days when I was paid to go jump-seating
as a fligh sim engineer)
Now the Dart Herald, DID have @ss-facing seats - I think they were in row 1, where the occupants of the first 2 rows had a table between them - bit like British Rail - so they could have a meeting whilst flying - if they could hear themselves above the prop noise
(The VC-10 was in the days when I was paid to go jump-seating
as a fligh sim engineer)
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The Mythbusters TV show in the US did a real life experiment, into the use of the crash position. Now, they were using a mock up aircraft that was suspened about 13 feet in the air, and impacted the ground at about a 60 degree angle. They used a dummy with G meters and other gadget's.
They actually found that the brace position reduced injurys upon impact. And increased survivability of the occupent. You would really need to watch the episode to get all the info they found. And believe me, these two guys on this show are the least scientific two you will find on the planet. But, they doo get some good insight into the Myth of the Brace position, and it's pros and cons.
They actually found that the brace position reduced injurys upon impact. And increased survivability of the occupent. You would really need to watch the episode to get all the info they found. And believe me, these two guys on this show are the least scientific two you will find on the planet. But, they doo get some good insight into the Myth of the Brace position, and it's pros and cons.
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The passenger seats at exit and bulkhead rows on our A340-600 a/c are all fitted with airbag seatbelts designed to inflate upon impact. They are also fitted to the Upper Class Suites. I was told this came into place after a safety recommendation follwing the BMi Kegworth disaster. Can anyone confirm this for me?
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dont you guys know anything? the brace position was designed so crew could pinch as much stuff as possible from the o/h bins without being seen.
some religions claim the brace position has mystical powers and is an act of reverence to the flight deck crew not unlike kneeling and praying with heads bowed
i just hope when its my turn that it is not to bumpy to keep reading my book between my feet.
some religions claim the brace position has mystical powers and is an act of reverence to the flight deck crew not unlike kneeling and praying with heads bowed
i just hope when its my turn that it is not to bumpy to keep reading my book between my feet.
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If it were safer to fly backwards as such, I think I'd rather do so. I've never tried it before obviously but if the military do so for safety reasons I'd not disagree with such a configuration.
I'm not a medic of any sorts but I wonder if it would increase the risk of DVT and such?
I'm not a medic of any sorts but I wonder if it would increase the risk of DVT and such?
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Brace position? What you lot on about planes for?
Put on handbrake, chock rear wheels, take wheel brace to wheel nuts and loosen, jack up car, undo wheel nuts with brace. Brace position should be both feet firmly on ground, knees bent and back kept straight. Apply force to wheel brace in an anti-clockwise motion. Nuts should loosen Repeat with other nuts. Change wheel and apply reverse procedure to above.
Off to bunker again...
Put on handbrake, chock rear wheels, take wheel brace to wheel nuts and loosen, jack up car, undo wheel nuts with brace. Brace position should be both feet firmly on ground, knees bent and back kept straight. Apply force to wheel brace in an anti-clockwise motion. Nuts should loosen
Repeat with other nuts. Change wheel and apply reverse procedure to above.Off to bunker again...