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heard today a passenger on a monarch flight into man last night was arrested after disembarking the aircraft, police found a number of lifejackets in his/her bag that the moron had stolen from the aircraft ,what sort of person steals life saving emergency equipment from an aircraft? hope they throw the book at him/her
Unfortunately there is absolutely nothing new about this. I can remember in 1980, just after I'd got my command with Laker on the DC-10, we arrived in LAX a little bit behind schedule.
The outbound crew got on very quickly to try and make up time. The girls quickly spotted that 6 LJs were missing. The guy was caught in Customs.
He thought that they would "really neat" on his boat in Marina del Rey!
The outbound crew got on very quickly to try and make up time. The girls quickly spotted that 6 LJs were missing. The guy was caught in Customs.
He thought that they would "really neat" on his boat in Marina del Rey!
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They arent even banning passenger for life who assault crew let alone ones who take off safety equipment, and if they tried the passengers would simply get off citing they have a fear of flying and they would feel safer if they had a lifejacket on their person!
They arent even banning passenger for life who assault crew let alone ones who take off safety equipment, and if they tried the passengers would simply get off citing they have a fear of flying and they would feel safer if they had a lifejacket on their person!
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Then even more of a reason for them to be banned. Get a boat lossers.
In the UK if you miss behave in a pub you get put on "Pub Watch" effectively banning you from all local pubs. If you cause trouble at a football match you can be bared from all international travel around a major football match. It would not be impossible to create a system within airlines where these people who have no regard for anyones saftey on board an aircraft, not to be granted a ticket. It does not require courts to set this up just inter airline agreement. I would like to see anybody try to challenge this in a humanitarian court of human rights.
In the UK if you miss behave in a pub you get put on "Pub Watch" effectively banning you from all local pubs. If you cause trouble at a football match you can be bared from all international travel around a major football match. It would not be impossible to create a system within airlines where these people who have no regard for anyones saftey on board an aircraft, not to be granted a ticket. It does not require courts to set this up just inter airline agreement. I would like to see anybody try to challenge this in a humanitarian court of human rights.
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Well unfortunately this is just not the case when it comes to air travel. I work for a major british carrier and although we do have a "book" of banned passengers, they still regularly manage to board our flights without being recognised. And not enough airlines share their lists!
As for the justice system in the uk, it seems to me that the hype of 9/11 is well and truly dead as judges dont seem to be strict enough with abusive passengers! A crewmember I flew with recently told me how he had to go to court following a violent assault but a passenger in which the crewmembers nose was broken. The judge in Crawley or Horley, whereever it is,gave the man a £52 fine and had to write an apology to the airline...not even the crew member!!!! Thats Britain for you!!!
As for the justice system in the uk, it seems to me that the hype of 9/11 is well and truly dead as judges dont seem to be strict enough with abusive passengers! A crewmember I flew with recently told me how he had to go to court following a violent assault but a passenger in which the crewmembers nose was broken. The judge in Crawley or Horley, whereever it is,gave the man a £52 fine and had to write an apology to the airline...not even the crew member!!!! Thats Britain for you!!!
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You should try having a plane load of italian students on exchange, they rob the lifejackets, seatbelts and even seat covers!!!
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It does not matter who they are just get them of planes. English sportstars have also been involved in bad behaviour on board aircraft unless you send out a clear message that this is not acceptable then the problem will just get worse.
Paddy,
Totally agree, its a sad state of affairs, I witnessed an air rage case in 2000 from a PAX point of view and believe me my heart started to thump alot harder. He was complaining his ears were hurting however it was clear to everyone that he was intoxicated. No reason to take it out on the crew. They had a hard time restraining him and he manged to get free and finally settled down. he was arrested at LHR but not sure what happened to him. This day and age and the cases are mounting Airlines should take matters on to themselves for interairline agreements not to permit these PAX on air travel again. Come on we have technology and these people are few. Make examples of them and people will think twice about trying it.
Paddy,
Totally agree, its a sad state of affairs, I witnessed an air rage case in 2000 from a PAX point of view and believe me my heart started to thump alot harder. He was complaining his ears were hurting however it was clear to everyone that he was intoxicated. No reason to take it out on the crew. They had a hard time restraining him and he manged to get free and finally settled down. he was arrested at LHR but not sure what happened to him. This day and age and the cases are mounting Airlines should take matters on to themselves for interairline agreements not to permit these PAX on air travel again. Come on we have technology and these people are few. Make examples of them and people will think twice about trying it.
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It is a mandatory requirement for flights over water.
But you do have a valid point about the liferafts they are not much use if the aircraft ditching breaks up on hitting the water such as the B-767-200ER Off Moroni Comoros Islands but the 57 survivors must have been grateful for the life jackets they were wearing
It is a mandatory requirement for flights over water.
But you do have a valid point about the liferafts they are not much use if the aircraft ditching breaks up on hitting the water such as the B-767-200ER Off Moroni Comoros Islands but the 57 survivors must have been grateful for the life jackets they were wearing
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http://www.rescue007.org/ditchings.htm
Hope never anybody has to go through with it but I personally would like to know there was a life jacket available just incase.
Hope never anybody has to go through with it but I personally would like to know there was a life jacket available just incase.
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but the 57 survivors must have been grateful for the life jackets they were wearing
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Oscarh and 6-Dof.
There is a popular misconception that lifejackets and rafts are only there to give passengers a false sense of security because it is often assumed (wrongly) that when the plane goes down, there will be no survivors.
I usually sit in the front with the big windows, but often I am a passenger positioning or travelling on holiday. Many passengers ignore the safety brief and this reflects the excellent safety record of air travel. However, take it from me that if an aircraft does have a serious emergency over the water, then all those items of equipment may be the best chance anyone has of seeing their next birthday.
Yes, the ditching 767 off the Comoros islands did break up, but there were still 57 survivors. There would have been even more if the pilots had been able to keep the wings level and make a controlled ditching - unfortunately they were unable due to the actions of the hijacker/s.
I have sometimes thought about the what ifs when flying over the pond or the Indian Ocean. Imagine a fire in the cabin when you are a couple of hours from a place to land. The cabin crew will fight the fire but if it gets out of control, the next best thing may be to put the aircraft down on the water before losing control. I am confident that there would be many survivors. All would survive would be my aim.
Once out of the aircraft, the first concern would be not drowning, hence the lifejacket. The next would be hypothermia. Getting out of the water into a liferaft would be the priority for this, and for subsequent detection and rescue by any ships in the area which would already have been alerted following distress calls from the aircraft.
Shorthaul aircraft may only carry lifejackets, the idea being that survivors in the water would be fairly close to rescue opportunities.
It's all a matter of risk assessment. I want to emphasise that the risk is extremely low. However, if it's not your day, then all is not lost in a scenario such as the one described.
To get back on line with the thread, low life who steal safety equipment are putting others at greater risk. It would be like removing the airbag from your car. These people should be appropriately dealt with. Not much chance of that in UK, they will probably be offered councelling!
There is a popular misconception that lifejackets and rafts are only there to give passengers a false sense of security because it is often assumed (wrongly) that when the plane goes down, there will be no survivors.
I usually sit in the front with the big windows, but often I am a passenger positioning or travelling on holiday. Many passengers ignore the safety brief and this reflects the excellent safety record of air travel. However, take it from me that if an aircraft does have a serious emergency over the water, then all those items of equipment may be the best chance anyone has of seeing their next birthday.
Yes, the ditching 767 off the Comoros islands did break up, but there were still 57 survivors. There would have been even more if the pilots had been able to keep the wings level and make a controlled ditching - unfortunately they were unable due to the actions of the hijacker/s.
I have sometimes thought about the what ifs when flying over the pond or the Indian Ocean. Imagine a fire in the cabin when you are a couple of hours from a place to land. The cabin crew will fight the fire but if it gets out of control, the next best thing may be to put the aircraft down on the water before losing control. I am confident that there would be many survivors. All would survive would be my aim.
Once out of the aircraft, the first concern would be not drowning, hence the lifejacket. The next would be hypothermia. Getting out of the water into a liferaft would be the priority for this, and for subsequent detection and rescue by any ships in the area which would already have been alerted following distress calls from the aircraft.
Shorthaul aircraft may only carry lifejackets, the idea being that survivors in the water would be fairly close to rescue opportunities.
It's all a matter of risk assessment. I want to emphasise that the risk is extremely low. However, if it's not your day, then all is not lost in a scenario such as the one described.
To get back on line with the thread, low life who steal safety equipment are putting others at greater risk. It would be like removing the airbag from your car. These people should be appropriately dealt with. Not much chance of that in UK, they will probably be offered councelling!
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it might come down to
In the event of ditching, a lifejacket might not be any use, but at least you have it available if needed.
OR
In the event of ditching, and the lifejacket is in some student's university pad, you're well fcuked!
In the event of ditching, a lifejacket might not be any use, but at least you have it available if needed.
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In the event of ditching, and the lifejacket is in some student's university pad, you're well fcuked!
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I'm happy to tell you that Ryanair impose life-long company ban on any pax caught smoking on board;much more effective/satisfying than involving disinterested Italian/Spanish police;unfortunately I don't believe such info goes outside RYR, and I don't know how well/rigorously we impose the ban.I always found in the good old days before ticketless-travel, asking to see offenders tickets as they got off(if they were outbound)and confiscating same, gave one a certain satisfaction.At least they were forced to waste time/money/effort to sort out how they got home.Like so many aspects of "captains discretion" I suppose I would be the one in the sh*t if I did this now, sad. . .bloody sad. Apart from life-jackets we "lose"a lot of seat-belts and seldom carry spares,great news for someone if it is a full return sector!On our newest aircraft life-vests have been re-located behind a flap in overhead service panel,obviously not just to improve accessibility,also one less place for DOT moles to hide dummy-bombs for our CC.
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last year a certain well known low cost carrier took a 4 hour delay because some light fingered passenger managed to pinch an emergency EXIT sign from the door as he disembarked! Now that takes the biscuit! 
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If airlines only put lifejackets onboard as a false sense of security then why waist time/weight and money on the other ditching items which you passengers would normally know nothing about such as the lifesaving equipment which is built into the rafts and the huge and very heavy Survival Packs which on my aircraft anyway (b747 and 777) are stowed above the doors or within immediate vacinity of the doors?
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Kapt. Ive,
I would assume it's students in general, on the dedicated student flights, as Spanish aswel as Italian students regularily have to be dealt with on arrival into DUB during the summer season for taking these items.
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I would assume it's students in general, on the dedicated student flights, as Spanish aswel as Italian students regularily have to be dealt with on arrival into DUB during the summer season for taking these items.
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