Originally Posted by ACMS
(Post 11482858)
Ummmm there’s a reason it’s said that way and if you got down off your high horse you’d see it.
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The way I read it he was poking fun at the QF guy for transmitting on guard and saying “on guard”, he was implying it wasn’t a needed comment hence he put the slapping face emoji in there……..
I don’t agree with his assessment and I’ve stated why. he is being a smart ass basically. |
Well you read it very very wrong.
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Best bit of advice I got from my on the job instructor when doing my initial ATCO training was "the busier the sector, the slower you need to speak. It reduces repeats/corrections, and gives you time to think".
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Also sticking the microphone inside your throat or up against your lips may feel comforting but it just results in comms that are overloaded with interference and basically unintelligible.
Ever seen someone push the mic closer to their mouth and exasperatedly exhort their precious words even more badly? That's hhwwhaaat I'm talking about. |
Originally Posted by NGsim
(Post 11483158)
Well you read it very very wrong.
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Originally Posted by ACMS
(Post 11483250)
Well then you need to express yourself a little better I’d say.
But correct, it’s all me good sir…… |
Just flew across the central third of the US today (about 930 mi) with a bit of weather diversion) on a single leg, and heard what sounded like the same guy say “On guard” three times while I was monitoring 121.5 when I wasn’t doing anything else over the 3.5 hr flight.
Radio works fine, never heard any other Guard transmissions, center didn’t seem to be looking for anybody. (Truly, the biggest reason I monitor [other than regs] it is to help center find the RJ’s that miss their handoffs) Should we consider the term “Radio Karens”? |
Parenthetically,
i would Postulate that “Position and Hold” (After stating “ready for takeoff”) is more descriptive than “Line up and Wait” (which might indicate to the uninitiated to do something else before getting out on the runway as instructed) |
Got called by an Asian Air Defence controller in a reasonably sensitive area on Guard one day. I started to respond with position and details (all legit). Could hardly get a further word in edgeways after the Guard Police erupted 🙄.
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Always used to recognise Niki Lauda when he flew into Sydney...
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Originally Posted by 421dog
(Post 11483295)
Parenthetically,
i would Postulate that “Position and Hold” (After stating “ready for takeoff”) is more descriptive than “Line up and Wait” (which might indicate to the uninitiated to do something else before getting out on the runway as instructed) |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11483340)
I thought the FAA changed from "Position and Hold" to "Line up and Wait" over a decade ago because the former phraseology was causing confusion. For my part, "Line up and Wait" makes a lot more sense than "Position and Hold".
They also took away our succinct flight plan forms (for domestic use) and imposed universal ICAO idiocy about the same time. |
I'm not saying ICAO is perfect - far from it - but...
When we analyse basic grammar, the words "position" and "hold" are capable of a variety of meanings - they can be nouns and verbs - but the words "line up" and "wait" have fewer meanings. English-speaking countries are generally the worst at it, these days. |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11483363)
I'm not saying ICAO is perfect - far from it - but...
When we analyse basic grammar, the words "position" and "hold" are capable of a variety of meanings - they can be nouns and verbs - but the words "line up" and "wait" have fewer meanings. English-speaking countries are generally the worst at it, these days. But we have more ops than the rest of you guys combined, and somehow “english” ended up as the international language of aviation, and everybody wants to fly in our airspace, so we’ll do our best to accommodate you. |
This is where people from English-speaking countries would say: "I couldn't care less", because the rules about aviation air-to-air- phraseology turn out to be what they happen to be from time to time and we'll all just get on with complying with them.
But in the good ol' USA, I'm apparently supposed to say: "I could care less", in order to convey my intention that I couldn't care less. Go figure. |
Potential for error if used casually ?
Position and hold > Position and roll Line up and hold > Line up and roll Line up and wait > Line up zero eight |
One of the worst cases of R/T indiscipline I heard was one dark and busy night at JFK when the ground controller shouted
“OK, EVRYBODDYSHADDUP!!!!!!” Said it all really. Mog |
Originally Posted by ACMS
(Post 11483250)
Well then you need to express yourself a little better I’d say.
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Originally Posted by 421dog
(Post 11483384)
yep.
But we have more ops than the rest of you guys combined, and somehow “english” ended up as the international language of aviation, and everybody wants to fly in our airspace, so we’ll do our best to accommodate you. |
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