Skytrans not happy about the competition
The riff between Skytrans and Hinterland seems to be widening. Skytrans failed to apply for approved short field landing approval for their C208 operations in the straits and subsequently were stoped by CASA from operating into the strips. Since then approval has been obtained for all the strips bar the shortest Darnley and Mabuiag.
Hinterland seems to have obtained the required approval and been granted an emergency contract by the QLD Government to conduct scheduled air transport operations into Darnley and Mabuiag Island’s. As one can imagine the upper echelons at Skytrans are not happy about this. The chief pilot of Skytrans was whiteness boarding one of Hinterlands services to Mabuiag disguised as a tradesperson. Word on the street is the CP has been heard saying “we are going to get these boys grounded”. Looks like the management at JTs airline are throwing the toys out of the cot. |
What’s the better company to work for? Who treats the Pilots better? Does PC from Broome still own Hinterland? Many Pilots sitting in the front of big jets around the world because of that gentleman.
Seems a bit rich to whinge about the competition when it was your organisation that made the error. |
I know of a few people at each place definitely seems as far as the 208 Ops goes Hinterland has better pay and conditions.
Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 11466523)
What’s the better company to work for? Who treats the Pilots better? Does PC from Broome still own Hinterland? Many Pilots sitting in the front of big jets around the world because of that gentleman.
Seems a bit rich to whinge about the competition when it was your organisation that made the error. |
I wonder if the HOFO used his real name? Or fake. If fake I would think it would be illegal.
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Only heard good things about working for PC and Hinterland.
Can’t comment about working for Skytrans but if they had their head in the sand about the new Part135 requirement I’m sure it says a lot about how it is being managed currently. Maybe the CP should keep his dress ups and take on being a tradie instead 😂. |
Originally Posted by Maddogyamaddog
(Post 11466529)
I wonder if the HOFO used his real name? Or fake. If fake I would think it would be illegal.
Sly tactics like that are normally an indication that things are getting desperate. |
Skytrans apparently thinks it's necessary to dress up in disguises and resort to questionable measures. Seriously? How sad.
I have been following the Torres Strait story in the cairns post. There was a lot of finger pointing towards Casa and others in the news articles, meanwhile apparently Hinterland already had the approvals since last year! competition is healthy and should be based on merit Perhaps it's time for Skytrans to focus on their own internal issues and address the root causes of their setbacks, rather than trying to shift blame onto others. After all, pointing fingers and engaging in covert operations won't get their planes off the ground or fix their management woes. |
God in trouble with CARZA again?
is thick minee back? |
The Cairns Post reported last week that this situation was resolved and Skytrans had regained all their approvals.
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Celebrity part owners do not guarantee success. The success of a company relies upon the staff and CASA compliance. If Head of flight Ops, Quality assurance, and the CEO/GM have dropped the ball; then failure results.
CASA's concern about operating into remote or shorter than normal airstrips is justified if the aircraft are operating outside the AFM performance charts. Likewise if the airstrips do not meet current regulations for RPT/CHT ops. (I'm NOT suggesting Skytrans are operating illegally) The issue is poor leadership from management and Chief Pilot; the concerns are not new; it is an issue that been on the table for a fair while. Forget public media, the public has little or no idea about aircraft performance. It may also be suggested that the Underwriter has also dropped the ball and has not been conducting annual audits. When a company's problems are aired in the public domain; it takes a long time to address any shortcomings. |
From an ex Skytrans t&c: Skytrans flight ops manager went up to mabuiag to install a webcam so they can determine wet/dry runway, as wet runway is not possible on that length. He also said Hinterland appear to be ignoring the 135mos and the C208 POH re 50ft crossing height and landing on the keys or close to.
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Originally Posted by see_yous_latr
(Post 11467012)
From an ex Skytrans t&c: Skytrans flight ops manager went up to mabuiag to install a webcam so they can determine wet/dry runway, as wet runway is not possible on that length. He also said Hinterland appear to be ignoring the 135mos and the C208 POH re 50ft crossing height and landing on the keys or close to.
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Skytrans flight ops manager went up to mabuiag to install a webcam so they can determine wet/dry runway |
Originally Posted by see_yous_latr
(Post 11467012)
From an ex Skytrans t&c: Skytrans flight ops manager went up to mabuiag to install a webcam so they can determine wet/dry runway, as wet runway is not possible on that length. He also said Hinterland appear to be ignoring the 135mos and the C208 POH re 50ft crossing height and landing on the keys or close to.
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Originally Posted by see_yous_latr
(Post 11467012)
From an ex Skytrans t&c: Skytrans flight ops manager went up to mabuiag to install a webcam so they can determine wet/dry runway, as wet runway is not possible on that length. He also said Hinterland appear to be ignoring the 135mos and the C208 POH re 50ft crossing height and landing on the keys or close to.
Macca |
Originally Posted by Maccamacpherson
(Post 11467074)
Glad to hear the blue birds are landing nice and short on the short runways. I would be worried if they weren't touching down before the numbers!
Macca |
Originally Posted by Maccamacpherson
(Post 11467074)
Glad to hear the blue birds are landing nice and short on the short runways. I would be worried if they weren't touching down before the numbers!
Macca A bush pilot attempting the same stunt on a really short strip would quickly be unemployed. It's not a bloody Boeing landing at Brisbane FFS. |
Those Blackhawk converted C208s look quite capable.
Maybe the issue is Skytrans never really read the Regs in the first place, hence the reason they got in trouble for not being compliant 12 month after Part 135 came in. |
Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
(Post 11467107)
My thoughts exactly. A test pilot flying an exact airspeed, crossing the threshold at exactly 50 feet, slamming it on the ground and applying maximum braking gets the numbers into the AFM.
A bush pilot attempting the same stunt on a really short strip would quickly be unemployed. It's not a bloody Boeing landing at Brisbane FFS. Probably something that you’d want to run by the punters in the back, wouldn’t you say? |
Originally Posted by Dry_Twotter
(Post 11467141)
Hinterland GM and HOFO are brave boys thinking that their piece of paper gets them around the P135 and the C208 POH.
Probably something that you’d want to run by the punters in the back, wouldn’t you say? Plenty of exemptions and approvals getting around the traps for interesting things that are completely safe and compliant. |
So could it be that cameras were installed to use in a campaign against a competitor rather than to check if the runway is wet? Pretty average behaviour if so.
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Originally Posted by Cloudee
(Post 11467169)
So could it be that cameras were installed to use in a campaign against a competitor rather than to check if the runway is wet? Pretty average behaviour if so.
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Originally Posted by Dry_Twotter
(Post 11467141)
Hinterland GM and HOFO are brave boys thinking that their piece of paper gets them around the P135 and the C208 POH.
Probably something that you’d want to run by the punters in the back, wouldn’t you say? |
Yes, a Test Pilot does it and then those figures are adjusted for an average Pilot because of course they don't expect you to fly it like a Test Pilot. If you want to go landing on an Airstrip prior to the numbers on a section of ground that isn't part of the regular inspections required to approve that Airstrip, you go right ahead, but when you hit a hole that no one knew about don't be surprised when you're the one responsible.
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Originally Posted by Ixixly
(Post 11467696)
Yes, a Test Pilot does it and then those figures are adjusted for an average Pilot because of course they don't expect you to fly it like a Test Pilot. If you want to go landing on an Airstrip prior to the numbers on a section of ground that isn't part of the regular inspections required to approve that Airstrip, you go right ahead, but when you hit a hole that no one knew about don't be surprised when you're the one responsible.
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Originally Posted by Ixixly
(Post 11467696)
Yes, a Test Pilot does it and then those figures are adjusted for an average Pilot because of course they don't expect you to fly it like a Test Pilot. If you want to go landing on an Airstrip prior to the numbers on a section of ground that isn't part of the regular inspections required to approve that Airstrip, you go right ahead, but when you hit a hole that no one knew about don't be surprised when you're the one responsible.
No, what is suggested is that, on a really short strip, no bush pilot who wants to maximise the margins is going to waste valuable stopping distance by flying large air transport 50 ft heights at the threshold, then relying on maximum braking to compensate for being only average and maybe landing a bit longer than the test pilot did. 50 ft looks bloody high when you have only a few hundred metres to get down and stopped. If we were to scale things down according to aircraft size and responsiveness, 15ft would probably feel right for most pilots and provide adequate clearance 'over the fence', but no, in aviation we often use arbitrary numbers because it's easier for the rule makers. The rule makers are not out there doing it in the weeds. |
The ignorance shown in this thread astounding. It certainly puts the Hinterland HOFO in the unenviable position of having to support his ill-advised GM [CAVOK92 + burners] who’s gone rouge on a pilot rumour network.
Some advice: you are attempting to push your way into the Torres Strait; a high skill, high intensity environment with several very experienced operators who, despite the local challenges, manage to keep the good people of the TS safe on a daily basis. Rather than coming on here and telling us all we have no idea what we’re doing, perhaps a good place to start would be:
At the end of the day this “opposition” you speak of may well be the people you’ll be thanking later for spotting you in the ocean. |
Iv never had someone try and name me on a forum before. Is that even in the rules?
Be rest assured that I am not associated with the blue shed, infact the only people I know around Cairns work in the red shed. Never the less I am just someone that is out of GA who is taking pleasure in listening to the scuttlebutt that is being thrown between an organisation that appears to have a full understanding of the new regulation and one that didn’t bother to read them, and when they (he) did still can’t see where they went wrong. |
Originally Posted by Dry_Twotter
(Post 11468249)
The ignorance shown in this thread astounding. It certainly puts the Hinterland HOFO in the unenviable position of having to support his ill-advised GM [CAVOK92 + burners] who’s gone rouge on a pilot rumour network.
Some advice: you are attempting to push your way into the Torres Strait; a high skill, high intensity environment with several very experienced operators who, despite the local challenges, manage to keep the good people of the TS safe on a daily basis. Rather than coming on here and telling us all we have no idea what we’re doing, perhaps a good place to start would be:
At the end of the day this “opposition” you speak of may well be the people you’ll be thanking later for spotting you in the ocean. |
I don't see what all the fuss is about, you just roll to a stop. PS I don't think they crossed the threshold at 50ft, and that didn't look like touching down 300m into the runway. I also reckon that approach was a tad steeper than 3 degrees. |
Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11468342)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ojt-zS5IaQ
I don't see what all the fuss is about, you just roll to a stop. PS I don't think they crossed the threshold at 50ft, and that didn't look like touching down 300m into the runway. I also reckon that approach was a tad steeper than 3 degrees. Oh and while I am on my soapbox, forget all about the Jacobsen flare and other theory like looking down the runway during the flare, particularly when you need to get it on early. Pick your touchdown spot and look at it. You go where you look. Of course look up during the rollout, but doing so too early always seems to prolong the touchdown. |
Originally Posted by Cloudee
(Post 11467169)
So could it be that cameras were installed to use in a campaign against a competitor rather than to check if the runway is wet? Pretty average behaviour if so.
Just asking. |
Originally Posted by CAVOK92
(Post 11466543)
Only heard good things about working for PC and Hinterland.
Can’t comment about working for Skytrans but if they had their head in the sand about the new Part135 requirement I’m sure it says a lot about how it is being managed currently. Maybe the CP should keep his dress ups and take on being a tradie instead 😂. |
Originally Posted by Left 270
(Post 11468474)
You’ve not been around the right people I’d have to suggest, sure he has his fan club, but he’s as scummy as any of the operators I came across in GA.
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Originally Posted by the_rookie
(Post 11468512)
Getting your super paid is a privilege and not a right apparently
First, if not already a member, join the AFAP. Yes, they are a bit weak in some areas, but they have excellent free legal help available for members. Then put your employer on notice that they have 14 days to get your super up to date, or you will notify the ATO. If they don’t pay on time send them a final warning. If they cry poor or whatever, remind them that it’s your money and that you are not in the loans business. Tell them that you WILL be reporting them to the ATO. Then DO IT, advising them that you have done so - this gives them one last opportunity to pay up and have you call off the wolves. It is important to be seen at every stage to have been transparent and reasonable. Of course some bosses will still brand you as Bolshevik, but they are just germs you sometimes find in this business. Not only did this once work for me, I got the super plus interest, and ended up with a very compliant employer. Pilots need to p!ss or get off the pot. |
Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
(Post 11468656)
If so, here is a guaranteed way to get it up to date and not get sacked. Or if you do get sacked, have some fun with a wrongful dismissal case at no cost to you. If they claim redundancy is the reason, you can prevent them from subsequent hiring until you are reinstated.
First, if not already a member, join the AFAP. Yes, they are a bit weak in some areas, but they have excellent free legal help available for members. Then put your employer on notice that they have 14 days to get your super up to date, or you will notify the ATO. If they don’t pay on time send them a final warning. If they cry poor or whatever, remind them that it’s your money and that you are not in the loans business. Tell them that you WILL be reporting them to the ATO. Then DO IT, advising them that you have done so - this gives them one last opportunity to pay up and have you call off the wolves. It is important to be seen at every stage to have been transparent and reasonable. Of course some bosses will still brand you as Bolshevik, but they are just germs you sometimes find in this business. Not only did this once work for me, I got the super plus interest, and ended up with a very compliant employer. Pilots need to p!ss or get off the pot. |
Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11468669)
Мир, хлеб и земля, Comrade!
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A GM who's "gone rouge"? Once they start wearing make-up, it's a dead giveaway they've lost the plot.
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11468835)
A GM who's "gone rouge"? Once they start wearing make-up, it's a dead giveaway they've lost the plot.
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
(Post 11468371)
Very nice; touched down on the numbers just beyond the piano keys. Slightly steep (about 4.5 degrees) approach works much better on short fields than the flat drag-it-in technique sometimes seen. Pilots confusing precautionary landings taught in some flight schools with serious short field techniques perhaps?
Oh and while I am on my soapbox, forget all about the Jacobsen flare and other theory like looking down the runway during the flare, particularly when you need to get it on early. Pick your touchdown spot and look at it. You go where you look. Of course look up during the rollout, but doing so too early always seems to prolong the touchdown. |
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