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Uplinker 6th Oct 2021 10:48


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11121956)
I'd be very worried if an aircraft that was flown by the computer and you just pointed it where to go didn't fly right. I mean you are not really controlling these large beasts, the computers and hydraulics do that..

my bold.

A common misconception and not true.

The BAe146 was a dream to fly but you could feel the control servo-tabs struggling and hitting the end stops during very turbulent approaches, because they ran out of power and response.
Larger airliners must have hydraulics to provide the huge control forces required. So you then need artificial feel to hopefully prevent the pilots over stressing the aircraft, or you go the FBW route and not have artificial feel because the FBW will prevent you over-stressing.*


*(Note the rudder on Airbus FBW is conventional, not FBW protected and therefore has artificial feel. Conventional rudder is a safety feature allowing control in the extremely unlikely event that all five FBW computers are lost simultaneously).

43Inches 6th Oct 2021 10:57

The post was in regard to the A330 which has no manual control links, as per all Airbus since the A320. All FBW, so you can never turn off the autopilot, just operate in degraded modes of it.

* except yes the weird rudder cabling, which is getting removed in the Neos.

Right20deg 6th Oct 2021 11:40


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11122147)
The post was in regard to the A330 which has no manual control links, as per all Airbus since the A320. All FBW, so you can never turn off the autopilot, just operate in degraded modes of it.

* except yes the weird rudder cabling, which is getting removed in the Neos.

Agreed and there is the option ( not always taken) of changing the input mode to a competent crew member to achieve a sell formed outcome..... AF 447

Dennis at Enstrom 6th Oct 2021 16:58

Someone mentioned that the Bucker Jungmann was the only airplane that lived up to the hype. I can confirm that's true. Beautifully balanced, light on the controls, responsive, yet not twitchy and no bad habits. However my RV-8 is all that, plus it's twice as fast and has a heater. I sold the Bucker and kept the RV-8.

Honorable mention goes to the Cessna 170B. Also well balanced and light on the controls, with no bad habits. Not super responsive, but in a respectable 4 seat family plane that was fine. Cessna 150 is also a very nice flying airplane, along with the 140. I suspect most of those early Cessnas fly nicely. Unfortunately not so with the later ones. My Cardinal RG flies like a truck. Caravan wasn't any better.

Worst airplane I ever flew was the Aeronca Chief. No control feel other than heavy drag in the system, sloppy and slow response, and didn't have enough power to get out of it's own way.

David Charlwood 6th Oct 2021 22:55

Chipmunk (particularly with the short-chord rudder, C-47 Dakota.
As an aside, the man who converted me onto the Bristol 170 Freighter said "If you can fly this aeroplane well, then you have forgotten how to fly!"

EXDAC 6th Oct 2021 23:14


Originally Posted by Dennis at Enstrom (Post 11122307)
Worst airplane I ever flew was the Aeronca Chief. No control feel other than heavy drag in the system, sloppy and slow response, and didn't have enough power to get out of it's own way.

You are trying to shatter some fond memories of the time I owned a share in one. My recollections are the lack of brakes for the instructor (I had to check out all of my partners) and the fact that this one had a preference to go anywhere but straight down the runway. I swear I wasn't grey until I started instructing in that 11BC.

RENURPP 6th Oct 2021 23:59

I'm surprised the Twotter hasn't made itself to the list as yet.

flywatcher 7th Oct 2021 01:03

Dornier 27 for the airframe, lousy engine

KRUSTY 34 7th Oct 2021 03:24

D55 Baron. Noisy, tough, and absolutely delightful to fly. Ergonomics ok, after about 500 hours!

Never flown a Chippie, although it gets a pretty good rap here. For me the best light aerobatic mount was the little Victor Airtourer, with the 180 hp donk of course.


blind pew 7th Oct 2021 05:44

Only flew the lower powered air tourer and demonstrated looping to by little brother over the sea off Sunderland..stalled over the top and it continued seawards on its back until I used both Rudder and aileron to get the nose down. Second attempt did the same and saw the altimeter wind through 500ft during the recovery. Brother said he had seen enough thank you.

Pilotette 7th Oct 2021 05:47

Best: Aerostar, Chipmunk, Caravan

Worst: Seneca, fully loaded C207 (even though I still have a soft spot for them)

Cloudee 7th Oct 2021 06:23


Originally Posted by Dennis at Enstrom (Post 11122307)
Someone mentioned that the Bucker Jungmann was the only airplane that lived up to the hype. I can confirm that's true. Beautifully balanced, light on the controls, responsive, yet not twitchy and no bad habits. However my RV-8 is all that, plus it's twice as fast and has a heater. I sold the Bucker and kept the RV-8.

Finally someone has voted for the Vans RV8! My 8 is the sweetest handling thing Iíve flown. Havenít flow a chipmunk but perhaps someone who has flown both an RV8 and chippie could comment.

Fred Gassit 7th Oct 2021 07:21

I've got an RV-8, it feels very similar to the Chipmunk but goes 60-70kts faster so does tend to be a bit heavier at speed.
Surprised by all the Caravan fans out there, I reckon it flies the way it looks....

Uplinker 7th Oct 2021 09:07


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11122147)
The post was in regard to the A330 which has no manual control links, as per all Airbus since the A320. All FBW......


Au contraire, mon ami. Here is a cut and paste from my copy of the Airbus A330 FCOM. Possibly an earlier MSN series than you fly:

"MECHANICAL RUDDER CONTROL
Conventional mechanical rudder control is available from the pilot's rudder pedals.",

and my copy of A320 and A321 FCOM has identical wording.

The THS can also be moved manually by the pilots via a mechanical link, (with hydraulic power).

Direct rudder and THS control is so-called 'mechanical back-up' , which enables straight and level flight in the highly unlikely event that all five FBW computers need to be reset.

ShyTorque 7th Oct 2021 09:45

Iíve flown the Chipmunk a few times and itís nice enough, but far nicer is the Vans RV-4.

Cornish Jack 7th Oct 2021 10:12

Surprisingly only two aficionados of Lockheed's masterpiece 3 holer and its DLC !
Inarguably the worst by several 'country miles' was the Miles (later Humbly Pudge) Marathon. Its only saving grace was the proximity of the gear lever to that for the flaps, and their similarity.! The consequent 'errors' lead to its swift demise :E
PS - for hands on satisfaction, knowing that you, and not the aircraft, have produced an acceptable outcome, go 'fling wing', and that extension to your lightest touch, the Whirlwind 10 !! :E

Vonrichthoffen 7th Oct 2021 11:33

DH 104 Sea Devon, B747 ( 1,2,3,4,8 )

blind pew 7th Oct 2021 16:02

Worst handling
 
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Without doubt..a kestrel with added centre section that weighed 110 plus kilos and was mounted on a gun carriage type structure. The whole wing weighed a quarter of a ton and the one I test flew had Venetian blind slats mounted vertically either side of the rudder to keep the airflow along the chord..unsuccessfully. Good men were known to run away and hide at rigging time.

Stuka Child 7th Oct 2021 16:13

For those who complain about the Seneca 1 in the flare, using 10 degrees of flaps makes it a lot easier. Handles much better in crosswind too. Only reason you'd want full flaps is if runway length is an issue. It's not the most nimble aircraft (to not say it's a fat cow), and it takes some muscle but I always found it quite endearing.

Also, someone else said they don't like the 737-200, and I'm here sitting like whatttt? What could you possibly not like about it?

Sailvi767 7th Oct 2021 21:22

The best jet I have flown was the A4 Superfox. The best piston aircraft the F1 Rocket.


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