Light plane flips at Moorabbin airport, trapping pilot
The pilot of a light plane was trapped after the aircraft flipped at an airport in Melbourne's southeast.
Emergency services were called to Moorabbin Airport just before 10am to find the training aircraft on its roof. The pilot, believed to be aged in his 20s, was trapped inside and crews established a foam hose line as a precaution while the MFB set him free. https://images.7news.com.au/publicat...y=sevennews_v2 Emergency services were called to Moorabbin Airport just before 10am to find the training aircraft on its roof. Credit: 7NEWS The pilot was seen being loaded into an ambulance just before 10.30am. He has been taken to The Alfred Hospital in a serious condition. DF. |
Reported on news media to be a Bristell from "Soar Aviation"
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I heard someone was seen under the wreckage shortly after, trying to read the VDO to work out how much to charge the student for that flight.
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What a truly cooked operator that this company is.
Saw a fellow Soar Technam take off for Essendon as the Bristell lies upside down surrounded in emergency vehicles. There is no time to suspend the operation, more money has to flow into old mate's wallet! |
"I heard someone was seen under the wreckage shortly after, trying to read the VDO to work out how much to charge the student for that flight."
now thats funny ! |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10637745)
I heard someone was seen under the wreckage shortly after, trying to read the VDO to work out how much to charge the student for that flight.
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Hope the stude is OK.
Re the VDO, Remember who is paying for those flights, it's us mug taxpayers topping up Mr Young Rich List's millions through the VET system. We've paid for our flying... now we have to pay him for theirs. |
That looks to be taxiway Echo 2 just off runway 13L (to the right in the photo) about half way down the runway.
OR 17L is to the left of the photo, but much closer to the threshold |
Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 10637783)
Hope the stude is OK.
Re the VDO, Remember who is paying for those flights, it's us mug taxpayers topping up Mr Young Rich List's millions through the VET system. We've paid for our flying... now we have to pay him for theirs. I don’t know anyone of my crowd that haven’t paid back their loans. |
I know how it works...plus there has been plenty of discussion about it on other threads here. It doesn't charge interest but is index linked. There has already been one AAT decision to refund these loans and I understand there are several more cases being considered. Those refunds aren't going to come from the school owner's pocket, are they?
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 10637872)
Those refunds aren't going to come from the school owner's pocket, are they?
The Government won’t be handing out millions with no strings attached ! |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10637861)
It’s a loan from the government that the student pays back once they earn $45,881 gross. It even includes interest, so in some ways, the government is actually profiting from the students, assuming that one day they actually more than $45,881. I don’t know anyone of my crowd that haven’t paid back their loans. |
Originally Posted by Stretch06
(Post 10637900)
Slight thread drift.... but I know many ex students who still have it hanging over their heads and will do for many many years to come. Not to mention the ones that left the country and now don't pay it back at all (unless they return and pay Aussie Tax at some point in their future).
As the student pilot put in that post on the other thread about this, many of the students were are older age guys with half-decent jobs, looking to change careers and many have families.... generally not the type to get up and run away. |
Originally Posted by Stretch06
(Post 10637900)
Slight thread drift.... but I know many ex students who still have it hanging over their heads and will do for many many years to come. Not to mention the ones that left the country and now don't pay it back at all (unless they return and pay Aussie Tax at some point in their future).
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So what is it now? Three Bristells in the last two years or so, all in Victoria.
I hope the young chap is ok. |
There is a link to an article on the "rich list" thread that states that 98% of the students were relying on VET funding. From memory about 20 were going to the AAT about getting a refund.
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Are there any more details about the actual crash incident?
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Without going too much into the hearsay, I've heard that the pilot was not supposed to be flying this plane for a number of reasons. This could get VERY interesting for Soar.
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Yeah...can anyone comment on how this yellow tweety bird found itself in this predicament?
Also, love it when they say Emergency Services "Found" it on its roof, like they turned up for something unrelated, "Oh, bob, check that out, you think that thing is meant to be on it's roof over there? Guess we better go check on it?" |
Click for the ATSB report
“The ATSB is investigating the collision with terrain involving a Bristell S-LSA aircraft, registered VH-YVF, at Moorabbin Airport, Victoria, which occurred at about 0950 on 12 December 2019. During final approach for a touch and go landing, the aircraft is reported to have pitched up steeply and yawed resulting in collision with terrain. The pilot, the only person on board, was seriously injured. The aircraft was substantially damaged. As part of the investigation, the ATSB will examine the accident site and the aircraft wreckage, interview air traffic control and other relevant personnel, and conduct data recovery. A report will be released at the end of the investigation. Should a critical safety issue be identified during the course of the investigation, the ATSB will immediately notify relevant stakeholders so appropriate and timely safety action can be taken.” |
Maybe a mishandled go around..? Or completely misjudged how high off the ground he was after ballooning it and stalled it in..? Wonder if there's any footage of the event..? Guess it will all come out in the wash after interviewing the pilot. Another black mark against Soar though.
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Did the ATSB and its siamese twin CAsA issue any "critical safety issue" notification regarding the Angel Flight accidents???
. Yep.! Go by bus, dont fly ,and maintain that Pvt a/c better. Brilliant thinking...NOT |
Ouch, poor kid. Hope he/she'll be fine.
There have really been an eyebrow-raising number of incidents involving Bristells and this school. Not exactly the kind of stats you'd read in the article of "Flight school owner makes the rich list...". |
It’s a loan from the government that the student pays back once they earn $45,881 gross. It even includes interest, so in some ways, the government is actually profiting from the students, assuming that one day they actually more than $45,881. I don’t know anyone of my crowd that haven’t paid back their loans. When it comes to this school and Fee-HELP the tax payer is at a loss. Guaranteed. |
As reported on Chan 9 News " Bristell aricraft - a single engine ultralight plan”, this is the actual spelling which I have copied.
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Originally Posted by spektrum
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When it comes to this school and Fee-HELP the tax payer is at a loss. Guaranteed. |
There is an element of moral hazard in vet fee help. The supplier is not incentivized to be competitive and the repayment responsibility is far in the future for the customer. Hence places like SOAR and many others in different industries. |
The government don't put it in the students' pockets.
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Did I correctly read a recent article on the full extent of student loans as being around $60bn? It was further stated that 'the government' expected 30% of loans to default. That's a lot of taxpayer dollars. I realise that pilot loans are pro
bably a small % of this, but, is there such a desperate shortage of Commercial Pilots about? Not from what I hear. happy days, |
If you think it costs a lot to train in this system to be a pilot, imagine what it costs to become a doctor. |
Sqauwk the VET loan available to pilots is the same as a medical, vet or dentistry student. $150 grand. It should cost half that to get a CPL. A doctor/vet/dentist is more likely to get a well paid career under way soon after graduating and isn't reliant on a Class 1 medical. They also have slightly stricter entry requirements.
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
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Sqauwk the VET loan available to pilots is the same as a medical, vet or dentistry student. $150 grand. It should cost half that to get a CPL. A doctor/vet/dentist is more likely to get a well paid career under way soon after graduating and isn't reliant on a Class 1 medical. They also have slightly stricter entry requirements.
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 10639565)
Sqauwk the VET loan available to pilots is the same as a medical, vet or dentistry student. $150 grand. It should cost half that to get a CPL. A doctor/vet/dentist is more likely to get a well paid career under way soon after graduating and isn't reliant on a Class 1 medical. They also have slightly stricter entry requirements.
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When is CASA finally going to pull the AOC of this organisation.
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
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Sqauwk the VET loan available to pilots is the same as a medical, vet or dentistry student. $150 grand. It should cost half that to get a CPL. career
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Originally Posted by Deceiver
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Without going too much into the hearsay, I've heard that the pilot was not supposed to be flying this plane for a number of reasons. This could get VERY interesting for Soar.
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Originally Posted by MikeHatter732
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Saw a fellow Soar Technam take off for Essendon as the Bristell lies upside down surrounded in emergency vehicles.
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Any more information on what actually happened with the accident?
Sounds like loss of control and a stall doing touch and goes, but anything specific? |
At GoFly Online, we have some thoughts on this subject and recently wrote a blog on the subject of why VET fee needs to change.
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That was a great blog. One thing I've noticed is the disparity in ATAR scores required for the other courses that will allow them to borrow that much money. Two are 99 and one is 95. However for this course....Entry Requirements
You must:
To assist prospective students to determine whether a course is suitable and appropriate for the individual needs, will assess all students’ language, literacy and numeracy and digital literacy by asking you to undertake a self-assessment review prior to the enrolment.=left |
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