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Further damage to GA by airport operators
I’m not sure if others have noticed how many more restrictions are being introduced in relation to airports – particularly in relation to prior notice. Here is a short list I have made up and I’m sure others will be able to add to it.
Mt Isa (48 hours prior notice required) Townsville (48 hours prior notice required) Warnervale (24 hours prior notice required) Ayers Rock (24 hours prior notice required) Gympie (prior notice required, contact operator) And the following airports require Julia Gillard vests: Horn Island Wynyard Mt Isa |
Simple just ignore them fly there land and then fly away. There is nothing they can do to you. |
So what is the damage?
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Originally Posted by Vag277
(Post 10621549)
So what is the damage?
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The Howard government still has a lot to answer for. Privatisation NEVER made anything better. Bring back the Federal Airports Corporation and nationalise them all! |
Council Airports:
"The airport isn't public infrastructure! It's a business and aircraft operators are valued customers!" Also Council Airports: "We are going to treat our captive market in a way that no business in the real world could ever treat a Customer with any choice" |
This is one thing I agree with you on. |
When the operator of a toll road says: “You must give 48 hours’ notice of your intention to use our road”, I will say: “F*ck you and your toll road.”
Unfortunately, the stultifying mediocrities that presume the title “government” these days do not understand the long term value of a vibrant GA sector. |
I’m pretty sure that Devonport also want you to wear the vest. Some little tinpot dictators love to enforce the rule by yelling out! I don’t think the situation is helped by some flying groups issuing them as part of membership |
Warnervale 24H PPR via email.
Cessnock: Plane-proof hi-vis vest required, even though not mentioned in the ERSA - it's in Councils User Guidelines... |
I did not check them all but Mt. Isa is only PPR if you want to park the aircraft - a bit like getting a hotel reservation I suppose, or do you just show up and expect there will be an empty room somewhere?
The hi-viz vest is a reasonable precaution when wandering unaccompanied around active airports - any hazard analysis would come up with such a mitigation - and if they don't ask for it then you could sue them if you a have an accident. |
and if they don't ask for it then you could sue them if you a have an accident. |
Cairns now have a landing fee of $350 should your trusty 172 wish to land during the middle of the day. They also hiked yearly aircraft parking fees from a few hundred bucks to $18000 a year. Even more bizarre, CEO Kevin Brown went on the defensive when the media grilled him...he quoted “instead wants to provide opportunities for operators to develop thriving and sustainable businesses.” :ugh: |
What will happen when they finally kill off the Goose? |
Sell it off to developers??
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Yeah, I go to a few of those places, Mt Isa for example, and the guy tries to give you a lecture but there is nothing they can do. To be perfectly accurate, they only need 48 hours to park in the bays, not for itinerant parking area. But they whine about how your dressed... Cairns, on the other hand, the private consortium that owns that wants everyone on the GA side gone, off to Mareeba, so they can sell/lease the land to DFO’s/shops for tourists, that’s why they jacked up the price. |
Australia the lucky country, providing you are NOT involved in aviation! |
Mt Isa: notice is required only for those requiring GA parking
Townsville: the RAAF run it so I guess they can stipulate whatever they want The rest? I guess it's a way of getting the details of who is using their airport, probably as a result of pilots who think: Simple just ignore them fly there land and then fly away. There is nothing they can do to you. Cessnock have had the requirement for Hi-vis since 2015. The Council Airport Policy is a very comprehensive 18 page document. Pity probably almost no one knows it exists. They've had 4 years to get a reference to it added to ERSA. |
Have hi-vis vests ever been useful in preventing accidents? Is there any incontrovertible data on the matter? I see people with and without such attire walking around MB all the time. Unless someone's skin is apron-coloured, I can't say they're hard to notice.
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Yeah and if pilot shirts were green we'd all be made to wear white hi vis vests
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Aviators are not the only ones getting slugged.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...30-p535uz.html somehow I don't your situation will elicit much support in the broader community. |
Australia the lucky country |
Australia Incorporated - it’s been the “Great Australian Selloff” over my lifetime. I would happily pay fees for anything if I knew that what I was paying for was a public asset and those fees were for ploughed back into that infrastructure. Now, our country’s infrastructure is just another source of profit for Big Business. Instead of a government truly governing with a capital G everything is in the hands of private enterprise and short term profit is king. This brand of Capitalism is truly short sighted and we are on a slippery steep slope downward. |
And on Transurban, I am doing my bit....I don’t use toll roads. |
Anna Blight- on- the- Landscape flogged of Cairns airport for abt 1/2 its real value, and annually it was contributing millions to the Govt/Taxpayers coffers. The sale price was claimed to be for a new Cairns Hospital further inland from the coast...which never happened.
She also put on a song and dance at YMBA...just prior to the election.. as a vote buying exercise offered 15 mil for an upgrade. That didnt happen then either. Lost the election tho' ...but no matter, slides into a fab sinecure as CEO of Bankers Association. THe Lucky Country?... for some. I think we now have UN status as an NDBR....Newly Developing Banana Republic. |
Originally Posted by Okihara
(Post 10621939)
Have hi-vis vests ever been useful in preventing accidents? Is there any incontrovertible data on the matter? I see people with and without such attire walking around MB all the time. Unless someone's skin is apron-coloured, I can't say they're hard to notice.
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Which goes to show, you don't need a hi vis vest to be seen!
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Originally Posted by bankrunner
(Post 10622297)
I once had a ARO spot me, and drive over from the other side of the field to give me a lecture for not wearing a high vis vest.
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I don't think it's written anywhere at all. Old mate must have been having a slow day.
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The hi-viz vest is a reasonable precaution when wandering unaccompanied around active airports - any hazard analysis would come up with such a mitigation - and if they don't ask for it then you could sue them if you a have an accident. |
1..Jeez...why stop at a Dayglo Fashion Statement.?
Hard Hard... you could get stuck by debris thrown up by prop wash or jet blast, head protection Flack jacket..body protection re same Ear Muffs... for the 'safety' protection of your hearing...jet noise etc. Steel cap shoes ...could get yr foot run over. Safety goggles...gotta protect yr eyes from dust, grit.n.sh*t as a result of 1. A 150 page Reg doc regarding, will stipulate a strict liability offence that on leaving the aircraft not such attired will be 100 penalty points or confiscation of the aircraft. Dont larf ! 2. We really do need a revolution. |
Originally Posted by bankrunner
(Post 10622297)
I once had a ARO spot me, and drive over from the other side of the field to give me a lecture for not wearing a high vis vest.
In mitigation I think the AFP were on the field somewhere. |
In mitigation I think the AFP were on the field somewhere. |
Ho hum, another week - another grenade lobbed by Dick. isn't the hi viz requirement somewhere in CAOs? Although I think it only applies if walking across taxiways. |
Can someone tell me what would actually happen should someone land without the appropriate notice given? Bit different for you Dick I would imagine as aerodrome operators would quickly run off to the media whinging Dick's not playing by the rules waaa waaa... but how could a fella be punished if he just lobbed up ???
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Originally Posted by Victa Bravo
(Post 10623727)
Can someone tell me what would actually happen should someone land without the appropriate notice given??
a lot of airports have it, I just called ahead and they said yup no problem it’s just so we can manage the available parking space. One Pilbara airport a few years back had a flying circus turn up unannounced which created problems with keeping the RPT bays clear of infringements. ARO did a good job of squeezing them in. Not sure if the required distances were met though. As for hi viz. you can’t go to any workplace these days to areas which are not generally accessible to the public without one. Argue all you like about whether or not they are necessary but it will not be you in the witness box explaining to counsel at an inquest as to the reasons why you did not find it necessary to impose a simple mitigation measure |
Passengers sometimes walk across an apron.
Why are they not required to wear Hi Viz? As far as I'm aware, since 1945, only one person has been struck by a vehicle on an apron and killed, and he was wearing high viz. Is a pilots white shirt any harder to see than a yellow high Viz against a black apron? Given the number of pedestrians killed each year on our footpaths, should all pedestrians not be required to wear High Viz? Will OH&S issues eventually destroy the Australian economy? |
Originally Posted by thorn bird
(Post 10623774)
Passengers sometimes walk across an apron.
Why are they not required to wear Hi Viz? As far as I'm aware, since 1945, only one person has been struck by a vehicle on an apron and killed, and he was wearing high viz. Is a pilots white shirt any harder to see than a yellow high Viz against a black apron? Given the number of pedestrians killed each year on our footpaths, should all pedestrians not be required to wear High Viz? Will OH&S issues eventually destroy the Australian economy? Accidents don't have to be fatal to be life-changing. Golfer Jack Newton lost his right arm and right eye when he walked into a spinning prop at Mascot in 1983. Not sure a fluoro vest would have prevented that accident - widespread rumour at the time was that he was pretty well lit up from a long drinking session. I believe apron safety procedures were blamed. Duh! |
As for hi viz. you can’t go to any workplace these days to areas which are not generally accessible to the public without one. Argue all you like about whether or not they are necessary but it will not be you in the witness box explaining to counsel at an inquest as to the reasons why you did not find it necessary to impose a simple mitigation measure Aussies seem to have lost the plot. I often visit the USA where this litigation stuff supposedly originated. Safety vests seem optional most places in the USA, even at a big building site I recently visited in Kansas City, very few folk were wearing them. Cranes were operating, lots going on. No-one asked me to put one on. I guess the Yanks take personal responsibility a bit more seriously than Aussies do. But back to the airports ..... and the guvmint that privatised them. Short memories abound in Australia too. Some of the bastards that promoted this privatisation and sell it to your mates ****e are still in office. |
Airport privatisation was probably the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the Australian people.
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