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Further damage to GA by airport operators

Old 19th Nov 2019, 04:28
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Further damage to GA by airport operators

Iím not sure if others have noticed how many more restrictions are being introduced in relation to airports Ė particularly in relation to prior notice. Here is a short list I have made up and Iím sure others will be able to add to it.

Mt Isa (48 hours prior notice required)
Townsville (48 hours prior notice required)
Warnervale (24 hours prior notice required)
Ayers Rock (24 hours prior notice required)
Gympie (prior notice required, contact operator)

And the following airports require Julia Gillard vests:

Horn Island
Wynyard
Mt Isa
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 04:49
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Simple just ignore them fly there land and then fly away. There is nothing they can do to you.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 05:27
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So what is the damage?
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 06:28
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So what is the damage?
Pilots will not want to land there due to the administrative overhead and likewise they will bypass them at all costs when they need to land there, for fear of penalties and or excessive costs. That is a safety risk. Sure, you may say itís up to the pilot to conduct the flight safely, however flying is dynamic and things often change mid flight !

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The Howard government still has a lot to answer for. Privatisation NEVER made anything better.

Bring back the Federal Airports Corporation and nationalise them all!
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 08:28
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Council Airports:

"The airport isn't public infrastructure! It's a business and aircraft operators are valued customers!"

Also Council Airports:

"We are going to treat our captive market in a way that no business in the real world could ever treat a Customer with any choice"
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 08:39
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This is one thing I agree with you on.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 09:02
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When the operator of a toll road says: “You must give 48 hours’ notice of your intention to use our road”, I will say: “F*ck you and your toll road.”

Unfortunately, the stultifying mediocrities that presume the title “government” these days do not understand the long term value of a vibrant GA sector.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 09:21
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I’m pretty sure that Devonport also want you to wear the vest. Some little tinpot dictators love to enforce the rule by yelling out! I don’t think the situation is helped by some flying groups issuing them as part of membership
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 09:43
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Cessnock: Plane-proof hi-vis vest required, even though not mentioned in the ERSA - it's in Councils User Guidelines...
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 10:04
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I did not check them all but Mt. Isa is only PPR if you want to park the aircraft - a bit like getting a hotel reservation I suppose, or do you just show up and expect there will be an empty room somewhere?
The hi-viz vest is a reasonable precaution when wandering unaccompanied around active airports - any hazard analysis would come up with such a mitigation - and if they don't ask for it then you could sue them if you a have an accident.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 10:15
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and if they don't ask for it then you could sue them if you a have an accident.
An accident such as.......??

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Old 19th Nov 2019, 10:24
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Cairns now have a landing fee of $350 should your trusty 172 wish to land during the middle of the day. They also hiked yearly aircraft parking fees from a few hundred bucks to $18000 a year.

Even more bizarre, CEO Kevin Brown went on the defensive when the media grilled him...he quoted ďinstead wants to provide opportunities for operators to develop thriving and sustainable businesses.Ē

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Old 19th Nov 2019, 11:07
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What will happen when they finally kill off the Goose?
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Sell it off to developers??
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 11:44
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Yeah, I go to a few of those places, Mt Isa for example, and the guy tries to give you a lecture but there is nothing they can do. To be perfectly accurate, they only need 48 hours to park in the bays, not for itinerant parking area. But they whine about how your dressed...

Cairns, on the other hand, the private consortium that owns that wants everyone on the GA side gone, off to Mareeba, so they can sell/lease the land to DFOís/shops for tourists, thatís why they jacked up the price.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 12:14
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Mt Isa: notice is required only for those requiring GA parking
Townsville: the RAAF run it so I guess they can stipulate whatever they want
The rest? I guess it's a way of getting the details of who is using their airport, probably as a result of pilots who think:
Simple just ignore them fly there land and then fly away. There is nothing they can do to you.
and therefore in all likelihood don't use the radio, or pay their bills.

Cessnock have had the requirement for Hi-vis since 2015. The Council Airport Policy is a very comprehensive 18 page document. Pity probably almost no one knows it exists. They've had 4 years to get a reference to it added to ERSA.

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Old 19th Nov 2019, 16:33
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Have hi-vis vests ever been useful in preventing accidents? Is there any incontrovertible data on the matter? I see people with and without such attire walking around MB all the time. Unless someone's skin is apron-coloured, I can't say they're hard to notice.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 19:03
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Yeah and if pilot shirts were green we'd all be made to wear white hi vis vests
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