No Pressure First Solo Jandakot Airport
No more daylight. Incapacitated Instructor. Champion
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Great job by the student and the controller. Hope the instructor will be OK.
Edited to add that of course GT has all the answers. "The West Australian aviation editor Geoffrey Thomas said the plane was a VH-TFR" |
Emergency - Jandakot Airport: 31/8/2019
Reference: https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/stude...ng-b881309077z
The student pilot said it was his first lesson. Air traffic control help student pilot land aircraft at Jandakot. Flight instructor passed out. See below from the live ATC - Archives in order of 1st and 2nd 1st one from the 9 minute and 15 second mark: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ypjt/YPJT2-Gnd-Twr-Aug-31-2019-0900Z.mp3 2nd one: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ypjt/YPJT2-Gnd-Twr-Aug-31-2019-0930Z.mp3 |
Bloody good job! I hope the instructor is ok and has a speedy recovery. If the controller ever gave up ATC he’d make a good flying instructor! |
“I’m not paying for this flight!” gold! Well done! |
Give that man a cigar! I feel for the instructor though, that's a career changing event, speedy recover :-)
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Wow. Great job by all, especially the Air Traffic Controller!! Gotta feel for the student, GF1, dodgy headset and all! Hope the instructor is ok. |
So you get to log both dual and some command time. Hopefully the student logged the VDO time when the instructor became incapacitated, don’t want to be paying dual rates! |
Not sure about being the first lesson, I did hear him say he had flown the 172 and the 152 was quite different, also that "My last instructor said I was the best student he'd ever had" so maybe it was his first lesson in a 152?
Anyway very well done to everyone involved and thank goodness for a good result. |
Disgraceful that there were no airport personnel around and the emergency services had to wait for them at the EGCP to turn up. Potentially the student could have landed while they were all there waiting at the gate and what good would that have been to anyone if he hadn't done such a good job?
Why pay someone to be there on the busiest training day of the week when you can sting people for massive callout fees. |
So this is the whole conversation between the student pilot and air traffic control https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uhF964qLCPY
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Well, I was a little bit emotional when he landed...dead heat between Controller and student as to who deserves highest accolades. Fantastic outcome! Even better if Robert is ok. |
Any videos of the approach and landing? Excellent job by the controller and student! And I hope the instructor is ok too.
Disgraceful that there were no airport personnel around and the emergency services had to wait for them at the EGCP to turn up. |
I wonder if QF will offer him a cadetship |
Originally Posted by VH DSJ
(Post 10559016)
Any videos of the approach and landing? Excellent job by the controller and student! And I hope the instructor is ok too.
Sorry, but what's the EGCP? |
Concerning his experience I think this is the important part: “Have you ever landed an aircraft before?” “No”. |
Stunning effort from all concerned - ATCer was top quality, super calm. Best regards to the instructor, hope ok.
For the student pilot, now THAT's a story to tell at the pub! |
Wow! Going solo at 10-15h is scary enough but imagine this with the added time pressure to save someone's life. Truly impressive feat!
Reminds me of this story that happened a few years back in Scotland: https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...ll-unconscious TL;DR: The pilot sadly died at the controls and his sole passenger and friend, a 70-something year old chap with no prior flying experience was helped by ATC and an instructor over the radio to land at a nearby airport. End of daylight was also approaching fast. |
Good job. CASA will investigate the student for conducting an unauthorised Angel Flight operation. |
According to ABC, the instructor is now in a stable condition which is great news (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-...dakot/11468580).
But what does this event mean for him and his flying career? I imagine that AVMED now won't let him off the hook for a while :uhoh: |
I'd say in terms of his medical certificate, he's gonna have to fight very hard and very long now to prove his innocence.
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Originally Posted by BigPapi
(Post 10559109)
I'd say in terms of his medical certificate, he's gonna have to fight very hard and very long now to prove his innocence.
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Guilty until innocence is proven.
He will now need to prove +100 % he is medically fit and it can NEVER happen again - a bit like getting your virginity back. |
Originally Posted by Bend alot
(Post 10559172)
Guilty until innocence is proven.
He will now need to prove +100 % he is medically fit and it can NEVER happen again - a bit like getting your virginity back. If an artery is blocked for example and a stent goes in or a full bypass operation, problem solved, probably get back your medical. If you've got a condition that causes your heart to go crazy when you have too many coffees and is un-treatable, then you likely aren't getting it back again. |
Originally Posted by NumptyAussie
(Post 10559168)
I don't quite understand what you mean by innocence? Would it be possible to please clarify what you mean? Thank you.
I imagine he's going to have to work very hard to prove that this won't happen again. |
Squawk7700 - absolutely, and know of similar stories of successful treatments with positive outcomes from AVMED. However, in this case, the guy did pass out at the controls of a small aircraft, whilst acting in the capacity of an instructor. Whilst I wish him no impediment post whatever treatment is deemed necessary, and to those already bashing AVMED, FFS AVMED is supposed to minimise the risk of CPLs passing out at the controls, aren’t they? Those bastards! |
According to his LinkedIn he had only been instructing for less than a month after a midlife career change. Pretty brutal it might be a much shorter and more expensive exercise than he imagined but from today he’s lucky to be alive. Hopefully his condition can be properly treated but at the end of the day these events are the primary reason AVMED exists. You can’t have pilots prone to collapsing mid-flight. |
Amazing effort by ATC. Just a classy effort all round.
An aside, I for the life of me can't understand the AVMED bashing at it pertains to this thread. |
If it was a heart issue, it can be sorted out with CASA, eventually. If it was some sort of seizure, or brain related, he will be in for a fight. |
Just listened to the ATC recordings. Wow - just wow.
That recording could be held up as a demonstration of rising to the occasion and clear communication. As someone else said, he'd make a great flight instructor. It's easy to forget what a huge skill set the guys and girls in ATC have. A complete professional. |
I was wondering whether a flight instructor might have been seconded to the Tower to assist in communications with the pilot? |
I believe the controller holds a pilot licence and there was an instructor present. Couldn't have hoped for a better outcome really.
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The controller is a gem. There was an instructor present who talked once or twice to the student but the controller did most of it. |
A couple of points regarding the audio recording:
1. Communication is key: The student pilot luckily spoke and understood English natively which is not always the case with student pilots who start their flight training in Australia. He also had some prior knowledge of flying and associated lingo, and he could orientate himself around Jandakot*, all of which helped him understand the controller. By his own account, he tuned in TWR frequency by himself. I surmise that the clear communication was a calming factor to both himself and the controller. 2. It's surprising to hear all these other calls while an emergency is unfolding. * Just imagine the same situation at Moorabbin: TWR: Can you see GMH on your right side? Student: !!? |
Originally Posted by Okihara
(Post 10559509)
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2. It's surprising to hear all these other calls while an emergency is unfolding.... |
It was clear that the ATC was a better communicator in that situation so I was glad to hear that he ended up taking over from the instructor. Off-Air, we’ll keep him up there for an hour whilst we get in every known emergency service and the flying doctors and anyone that can come! |
Listening to audio extracts of the student, I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience... |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10559593)
It was clear that the ATC was a better communicator in that situation so I was glad to hear that he ended up taking over from the instructor. |
I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience... |
Originally Posted by VH-MLE
(Post 10559602)
Listening to audio extracts of the student, I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience... |
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