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bolthead 31st Aug 2019 10:39

No Pressure First Solo Jandakot Airport
 
No more daylight. Incapacitated Instructor. Champion

Clare Prop 31st Aug 2019 11:03

Great job by the student and the controller. Hope the instructor will be OK.

Edited to add that of course GT has all the answers. "The West Australian aviation editor Geoffrey Thomas said the plane was a VH-TFR"

Saintly 31st Aug 2019 15:36

Emergency - Jandakot Airport: 31/8/2019
 
Reference: https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/stude...ng-b881309077z

The student pilot said it was his first lesson. Air traffic control help student pilot land aircraft at Jandakot. Flight instructor passed out.

See below from the live ATC - Archives in order of 1st and 2nd

1st one from the 9 minute and 15 second mark: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ypjt/YPJT2-Gnd-Twr-Aug-31-2019-0900Z.mp3

2nd one: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ypjt/YPJT2-Gnd-Twr-Aug-31-2019-0930Z.mp3





Car RAMROD 31st Aug 2019 22:24

Bloody good job!

I hope the instructor is ok and has a speedy recovery.

If the controller ever gave up ATC he’d make a good flying instructor!

Sunfish 31st Aug 2019 22:25

“I’m not paying for this flight!” gold! Well done!

machtuk 31st Aug 2019 22:36

Give that man a cigar! I feel for the instructor though, that's a career changing event, speedy recover :-)

Slezy9 31st Aug 2019 23:28

Wow. Great job by all, especially the Air Traffic Controller!! Gotta feel for the student, GF1, dodgy headset and all!

Hope the instructor is ok.

Stationair8 1st Sep 2019 00:39

So you get to log both dual and some command time.
Hopefully the student logged the VDO time when the instructor became incapacitated, don’t want to be paying dual rates!


Clare Prop 1st Sep 2019 01:30

Not sure about being the first lesson, I did hear him say he had flown the 172 and the 152 was quite different, also that "My last instructor said I was the best student he'd ever had" so maybe it was his first lesson in a 152?
Anyway very well done to everyone involved and thank goodness for a good result.

Clare Prop 1st Sep 2019 01:56

Disgraceful that there were no airport personnel around and the emergency services had to wait for them at the EGCP to turn up. Potentially the student could have landed while they were all there waiting at the gate and what good would that have been to anyone if he hadn't done such a good job?

Why pay someone to be there on the busiest training day of the week when you can sting people for massive callout fees.

Saintly 1st Sep 2019 02:57

So this is the whole conversation between the student pilot and air traffic control https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uhF964qLCPY

kaz3g 1st Sep 2019 03:41

Well, I was a little bit emotional when he landed...dead heat between Controller and student as to who deserves highest accolades. Fantastic outcome!

Even better if Robert is ok.


VH DSJ 1st Sep 2019 04:23

Any videos of the approach and landing? Excellent job by the controller and student! And I hope the instructor is ok too.


Disgraceful that there were no airport personnel around and the emergency services had to wait for them at the EGCP to turn up.
Sorry, but what's the EGCP?

YPJT 1st Sep 2019 04:33

I wonder if QF will offer him a cadetship

Awol57 1st Sep 2019 04:45


Originally Posted by VH DSJ (Post 10559016)
Any videos of the approach and landing? Excellent job by the controller and student! And I hope the instructor is ok too.



Sorry, but what's the EGCP?

Emergency Gate Control Post

Bull at a Gate 1st Sep 2019 06:04

Concerning his experience I think this is the important part: “Have you ever landed an aircraft before?” “No”.


josephfeatherweight 1st Sep 2019 06:22

Stunning effort from all concerned - ATCer was top quality, super calm. Best regards to the instructor, hope ok.
For the student pilot, now THAT's a story to tell at the pub!

Okihara 1st Sep 2019 07:18

Wow! Going solo at 10-15h is scary enough but imagine this with the added time pressure to save someone's life. Truly impressive feat!

Reminds me of this story that happened a few years back in Scotland:
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...ll-unconscious

TL;DR: The pilot sadly died at the controls and his sole passenger and friend, a 70-something year old chap with no prior flying experience was helped by ATC and an instructor over the radio to land at a nearby airport. End of daylight was also approaching fast.

illusion 1st Sep 2019 07:20

Good job.

CASA will investigate the student for conducting an unauthorised Angel Flight operation.

Okihara 1st Sep 2019 08:13

According to ABC, the instructor is now in a stable condition which is great news (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-...dakot/11468580).

But what does this event mean for him and his flying career? I imagine that AVMED now won't let him off the hook for a while :uhoh:

BigPapi 1st Sep 2019 08:23

I'd say in terms of his medical certificate, he's gonna have to fight very hard and very long now to prove his innocence.

NumptyAussie 1st Sep 2019 10:08


Originally Posted by BigPapi (Post 10559109)
I'd say in terms of his medical certificate, he's gonna have to fight very hard and very long now to prove his innocence.

I don't quite understand what you mean by innocence? Would it be possible to please clarify what you mean? Thank you.

Bend alot 1st Sep 2019 10:15

Guilty until innocence is proven.

He will now need to prove +100 % he is medically fit and it can NEVER happen again - a bit like getting your virginity back.

Squawk7700 1st Sep 2019 10:22


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10559172)
Guilty until innocence is proven.

He will now need to prove +100 % he is medically fit and it can NEVER happen again - a bit like getting your virginity back.

It's surprisingly not that hard to get your medical back after heart attacks and bypasses. I know of multiple and it was a lot faster than I would have ever thought possible. It all depends on whether your condition is treatable. On the flip side, I know of someone with a minor condition that doesn't have a treatment plan and his only option is a safety pilot.

If an artery is blocked for example and a stent goes in or a full bypass operation, problem solved, probably get back your medical.
If you've got a condition that causes your heart to go crazy when you have too many coffees and is un-treatable, then you likely aren't getting it back again.

BigPapi 1st Sep 2019 10:30


Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 10559168)
I don't quite understand what you mean by innocence? Would it be possible to please clarify what you mean? Thank you.

What bend alot said.

I imagine he's going to have to work very hard to prove that this won't happen again.

josephfeatherweight 1st Sep 2019 10:34

Squawk7700 - absolutely, and know of similar stories of successful treatments with positive outcomes from AVMED. However, in this case, the guy did pass out at the controls of a small aircraft, whilst acting in the capacity of an instructor. Whilst I wish him no impediment post whatever treatment is deemed necessary, and to those already bashing AVMED, FFS AVMED is supposed to minimise the risk of CPLs passing out at the controls, aren’t they? Those bastards!

patty50 1st Sep 2019 11:03

According to his LinkedIn he had only been instructing for less than a month after a midlife career change.

Pretty brutal it might be a much shorter and more expensive exercise than he imagined but from today he’s lucky to be alive. Hopefully his condition can be properly treated but at the end of the day these events are the primary reason AVMED exists. You can’t have pilots prone to collapsing mid-flight.

junior.VH-LFA 1st Sep 2019 11:15

Amazing effort by ATC. Just a classy effort all round.

An aside, I for the life of me can't understand the AVMED bashing at it pertains to this thread.

Capt Fathom 1st Sep 2019 11:27

If it was a heart issue, it can be sorted out with CASA, eventually. If it was some sort of seizure, or brain related, he will be in for a fight.

muffman 1st Sep 2019 12:33

Just listened to the ATC recordings. Wow - just wow.

That recording could be held up as a demonstration of rising to the occasion and clear communication. As someone else said, he'd make a great flight instructor. It's easy to forget what a huge skill set the guys and girls in ATC have. A complete professional.

VH-MLE 1st Sep 2019 13:25

I was wondering whether a flight instructor might have been seconded to the Tower to assist in communications with the pilot?

YPJT 1st Sep 2019 15:06

I believe the controller holds a pilot licence and there was an instructor present. Couldn't have hoped for a better outcome really.

Sunfish 1st Sep 2019 21:13

The controller is a gem. There was an instructor present who talked once or twice to the student but the controller did most of it.

Okihara 1st Sep 2019 21:26

A couple of points regarding the audio recording:

1. Communication is key: The student pilot luckily spoke and understood English natively which is not always the case with student pilots who start their flight training in Australia. He also had some prior knowledge of flying and associated lingo, and he could orientate himself around Jandakot*, all of which helped him understand the controller. By his own account, he tuned in TWR frequency by himself. I surmise that the clear communication was a calming factor to both himself and the controller.

2. It's surprising to hear all these other calls while an emergency is unfolding.

* Just imagine the same situation at Moorabbin:
TWR: Can you see GMH on your right side?
Student: !!?

Tarq57 1st Sep 2019 23:28


Originally Posted by Okihara (Post 10559509)
....

2. It's surprising to hear all these other calls while an emergency is unfolding....

The bit I listened to was, I believe, full of calls on another frequency, maybe more than one other frequency. I guess they were using a scanner of some kind and it recorded everything.


Squawk7700 1st Sep 2019 23:58

It was clear that the ATC was a better communicator in that situation so I was glad to hear that he ended up taking over from the instructor.

Off-Air, we’ll keep him up there for an hour whilst we get in every known emergency service and the flying doctors and anyone that can come!

VH-MLE 2nd Sep 2019 00:39

Listening to audio extracts of the student, I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...

flyinkiwi 2nd Sep 2019 01:03


Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 10559593)
It was clear that the ATC was a better communicator in that situation so I was glad to hear that he ended up taking over from the instructor.

Apparently the US Navy want to offer him a job as a LSO ;)

YPJT 2nd Sep 2019 01:40


I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...
All will be revealed in the ATSB report.

Squawk7700 2nd Sep 2019 01:40


Originally Posted by VH-MLE (Post 10559602)
Listening to audio extracts of the student, I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...

It was not his first lesson however that didn’t stop the media from reporting that.



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