Lilydale crash
 

From 7 News Melbourne: A light plane has overshot the runway at Lilydale Airport, hitting an embankment before coming to a rest at Macintyre Lane.

Only what I saw on FB & photo is very hazy due wx - couldn't make out aircraft type apart from a twin.

DF.

Looks like a Cessna 340.

When I looked at the nose & windows that was my thoughts too, but I would have only been taking a stab at it.

DF.

An 'N' registered 340.

N1022W flew Bankstown to Lilydale today.

Just saw this on FB:

UPDATE: A male pilot was able to walk from the damaged light plane after it overshot the runway at Yering.

He was treated by paramedics at the scene, and did not require transportation to hospital.

BEFORE --

DEVELOPING: A light plane has overshot the runway at Lilydale Airport, hitting an embankment before coming to a rest at Macintyre Lane.

If my hazy memory is correct this seems a fairly regular event at this airfield.

A Cessna 430 if you believe Channel 9!!

Hmmm - must be a new model then! ;)

DF.

Clearly this pilot was not versed in Roger's (patent pending) Bonanza anti-lock breaking technique, no doubt required by all the rain Melbourne has had today.

Yep, that's the one. This aircraft certainly gets around or so my google search told me.

It was a little wet earlier this morning...

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc75/radar1.png

What is it with people over-running that huge runway....

Weather issues notwithstanding, goodyear or cleveland brakes make a huge difference.
I used to fly two C310s and one was great, the other amazinly bad, went off rwy31 at old Brisbane airport once!
Worth the money to update if anyone has the first brand! ;)

Perhaps the pilot landed on the "short" 850m instead of the longer 1350m runway?

I've seen this done before and it seems pilots can have the same problems as drivers on a wet surface...lock the brakes and keep them locked instead of releasing and applying again.

Roger's a bit of an agriculturalists himself, I recall.

Kaz

The pilot apparently said the brakes failed. Wet airstrip, maybe fast over the fence, hit the brakes and just kept skidding all the way. Brakes failed? What an unfortunate coincidence:E

"Cessna 430"
"Missed the runway"
"attempted to hold down the breaks"

I mean come on Journos... On the bright side no one fatally or badly injured so we can sit around and nitpick the journalistic quality on it!

German pilot on a round the world trip.

If the info in FlightAware is correct, the aircraft has been flying regularly around SE Australia for the last three months.

Yes, correct, they did fail.

They failed to stop the aircraft :-)

I remember an N reg C340 force landing into sugar cane about 10NM South of Cairns in the early 2000s due a fuel issue. Pilot bought another N reg C340 and continued his journey around the world.

I am sure I heard this guy flying out of YSBK yesterday. Was definitely a C340 and he sounded a bit dodgy on the radio re his procedures to me. If so not really surprising result.

Geez Zanthrus, "Judge not, lest you be judged", ring any bells? Ones flying abilities does not necessarily relate directly to ones radio skills, especially not if you're from another country and used to doing it a bit different and still adjusting perhaps?

[QUOTE=StickWithTheTruth;10094905]Clearly this pilot was not versed in Roger's (patent pending) Bonanza anti-lock breaking technique, no doubt required by all the rain Melbourne has had today. QUOTE]

I'd always thought that Roger M's Bonanza experience was such that he wasn't into "breaking" Bonanzas? :D

obviously was equipped with a well-stuffed wallet! Makes you wonder how many N-reg 340s are for sale in Australia at any one time.

Folks,
That's it then, a pilot who has substantial international experience, ie: He got this far, hasn't complied with Australia's unique, stilted, pedantic and inflexible often non-ICAO "radio procedures", so he is clearly incompetent, an accident looking for somewhere to happen, according to Zanthrus.
I don't suppose, after all these years, that I should be surprised by this sort of provincial and parochial garbage in Australia.
Tootle pip!!

Zanthus, I was going to warn you but didn't get to you in time... you've been sledded!

I remember that well. I’m glad to hear he flew again as there was evidence of some injuries.

Of course he doesn't, I didn't say that. Roger's anti-lock braking technique is for a wet grass runway to AVOID an overrun.

I think you missed the sly dig - in your first post you said anti-lock breaking technique. ;)

DF

Oh ok, yeah I know, I'm a bit slow and not the smartest tool in the shed.

True... that should read "sharpest" tool in the shed.:E:E

If rain and /or water on the strip...what about 'aguaplaning' ie scooting along on a thin layer of h2o , wheels brake stopped or nearly... but the aircraft continues on its not so merry way !

2c

You guys really do have the gist of the gab.

Hi zanthrus, I had the opportunity to speak at length with the pilot when he was in Hervey Bay a couple of weeks ago and I can tell you that your assumptions have no foundation whatsoever.

Nah you're okay mate!

DF.

Hi Kaz - both short ATM - during construction of new taxiway.

The slippery grass can catch you out, it has me! And one of the LIL staff put a Bonanza off the end a little while back, so it can happen to the best of us!

Yes, the dark clay/loams of the Valley on which the grass grows gets greasy when wet and becomes a bottomless pit when very wet. I farmed it for more than 10 years.

I wish they had never turned the cross strip into a taxiway.

Kaz

With all these "breaking" issues I'm not surprised the "braking" was ineffective.

Not a direct shot at Zanthrus, but the focus seems to be on the wrong areas of pilot training these days. I’m a fan of competency based training when applied correctly, but I’m not sure it is.
The assessment of a pilots ability seems to be based on the quality of their radio calls and the number of bars on their epaulets. The fact a pilot can’t land in a crosswind, is petrified of stalls, taxies against the brakes, starts their aircraft 2m from hangar doors with the slipstream filling the hangar with dust and causing the aircraft in the hangar to collide is old fashioned stuff. Their multiple EFBs will protect them!

I definitely heard a European (German?) sounding pilot in a C340 at YSBK sounding very unconfident (is that a word?) re either radio or procedures out of YSBK or whatever. It may not have been the same pilot as the accident. But I know what I heard!

Happy to be Sledded, If I was wrong in my "assumption" then I apologise.
Everyone make mistakes especially me!

Cheers, Z!

I would probably be too if English was my second language!