I reckon the plumber is relying on the following definition of private ops. So no CPL or AOC required


(7) For the purposes of these Regulations:

(v) the carriage of persons or the carriage of goods without a charge for the carriage being made other than the carriage, for the purposes of trade, of goods being the property of the pilot, the owner or the hirer of the aircraft;

shall be taken to be employed in private operations.

Ah yes...but the goods he carries, are fitted and sold.
And the cost of hiring the aircraft to fly out to the job would be billed to the Govt Dept /whoever that wanted the plumbing job done.....so there is a charge for 'carriage' of the goods, fitted and sold.
All these things, upchucked by the 'regulator'/polisman depend on the spleen of the day/or lack of interest , or otherwise of CAsA persons.

CAsA's great consistency is its inconsistency in the application of "rule of law" or more specifically in their case. their 'law of rules'

Believe me, its a sh*t show.
Different strokes for different folks is rampant.

Doesn't he one the Cessna? If so, it's private.

And the last four posts, ladies and gentlemen, sums up GA in Australia here and now. One regulation, four commentators, and five opinions. (or thereabouts)

NOT one regulation, one clear cut and definitive interpretation.

FFS.

(edit - Anglo Saxon language inspired by unnecessary complexities of regs, not by the opinions expressed.)

What aroa has said is exactly correct, it's a **** show.

I know of a few business who are operating aircraft privately for indirect commercial gain. Only way to try and stamp it out would be for AOC holders to bang on CASA's door and complain. Insurance companies may also have a dim view on paying out in the event of a buster, which could be potentially more painful than a CASA bashing.

Hopefully AndrewR will pipe up and say it's a private operation that has to be authorised by an AOC.

And the great tragedy of all this is... 20 years of lost opportunities..thanks to the bloody minded, control freak bureaucratic bastards and manipulators in (non) Aviation House.

I still have a copy to read (and weep over)....

In April 1997 the Minister and the Board adopted the bold new COOP/ Classification of Operations Policy based on the FARs .

In the section regarding pvt ops was the now allowable..A private pilot, his "tool box" and his aircraft could operate a non passenger carrying business.
A plumber with pipes for sale, an electrician with his light bulbs for sale ...and jezzus wept ,even a photographer with his camera and his images for sale, would have been the go.
In 'Safety Digests' there were even change lists of what you were going to be able to do in this brave new world.
Over the next few years while they/ CAsA or whatever the fcuk they called themselves then,got their arses into gear all this slowly changed and the last vestiges faded off their screen after 5 years. AND IT NEVER HAPPENED.

Open Skies for None....well done the faarking 'Iron Ring' and attendant 'dead wood' !!

And its been downhill ever since. Doesnt say much for the Board either...no guts and go to drive it forward. Nice lunches and dosh tho.

Remember the ASRR ,(CAsA hopes you dont) with all those submissions and subsequent recommendations to be done by CAsA...all going the way of the COOP. Dead over time, with inaction and memory loss, with the Miniscule and pollies of the day long gone.

The aircraft cut out on the Caravan to Canberra read "VH-F*KD. CAsA did it."
How true. !

These days its all about bureaucratic wankery, Managers with titles you cant jump over,
"People and Culture",Stakeholder Engagement.and etc..

CAsA's the stake holder alright...driven right through the heart of GA

Ahhhh the caravan to Canberra. Yes, Mr Rudd and the Wilga would
be great characters for "outback pilots".

Top Idea. IB
I could submit an episode. being the video of the contract investigator's interviews with Larard and Retski, two of the Three Tarmac Turds who all swore false testimony that they saw elevators left and right, on the ground and being refitted. !!! I kid you not ..!!

I have 3 sworn testimonies in a hefty prosecution brief to prove it.
Third Turd fled /was let go from CAsA after allegations I made regarding his earlier 'misdemeanours' as an AME. Funny that...never heard form CAsA about those allegations, so they must have been true.

Makes a great story...but unfortunately the Wilga has a bloody great one piece elevator(singular) that had never been off the aircraft.
And these airworthiness "specialists" were even too faarking dumb to know what they were looking at.
No wonder the CDPP bolted. Charge struck out

One asked if he could change his statement !! and another was white with shock at the realization of the big lie.
And their chaperone Williams leant/knocked his head on the tailplane in dismay !!
Makes for top viewing.!
CAsA went to great and costly lengths to protect the perps, calling criminality just CAsA code breaches... a constructive fraud.

And the lies and bull**** continues ....watch this space.

I will have a VERY entertaining Episode 2 shortly.

I suspect you missed the nuance in my last comment.

Such drama tonight - if the lass loses the second suction pump she "won't know her airspeed, altitude or direction".

I'm glad the 310 that I flew wasn't so complicated.

FFS, it's beyond cringeworthy.

I feel sorry for the pilots.
Imagining a show would bring a bit of advertisement and publicity, only to find out all it's actually going to do is scare people away.

You learn something every day.
So thats what the vac pump does...sucks up the altimeter needle to the correct reading, ditto the ASI.
Thanks Ch 7

:)

I well remember the day when my flying instructor said i were ready to wear a six shooter.....

"...From the producers of Outback Truckers and Railroad Australia comes another outback tale of endurance, risk-taking and daredevilry. Outback Pilots is a 8-part series about modern-day "guns for hire”.

These pilots play a vital role in the ‘do-or-die’ frontier world of the Australian outback, from providing emergency services to delivering essential supplies to isolated communities. Flying at death-defying heights, dodging killer cyclones and battling rough, dirt landing strips, this is some of the most challenging and exhilarating aerial work in the world..."

Outback Pilots | Flame Productions





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Iron Bar yes...after this last CAsA induced episode, my old whiskers are somewhat overly sensitive.

But I'm sure everyone will enjoy the next story....and the outcome.
Well,..err.. maybe not everyone. !!

Another great fun, entertaining episode at 9-30pm on TV Channel 73 (7Mate) tonight! Good photography, too.

(But far too much advertising for fast food and health and other insurance.)

I reckon that's there's far worse programmes to be seen on FTA TV? :confused:

Question - the last time I looked at the regs on a specific topic, it was my understanding that a GoPro could only be attached to the exterior of an aircraft with an STC...has this rule changed? If so, can anyone point me in the direction of the regs that approves this..

On a serious note, top marks to the chopper pilot doing fire bombing in the Tiwi Islands. I thought that was the best bit of the entire series.

Outnabout,

This AC from CASA describes the process to get an external camera approved.
https://www.casa.gov.au/file/152206/...token=SAKV46mV

It a bit of a hassle for an individual, but in the scheme of a whole program series a week's work for an AP and some test flights should sort out all the aircraft used.

Hmmm... one of me aircraft don't even have a "suction pump" - Now that might explain why i'm always lost out in the bush with it..:E


Yep, the more we allow lies in the media the more it perculates through every part of it until the media itself loses all contact with reality.

And then we end up with things like this:
"...CNN producer admitting the President Trump-Russia story was “mostly bulls**t” and hyped for “ratings.”..."

Gorka: O?Keefe CNN Video Fake News Scandal ?Complete Vindication for the President?





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You'd think if you knew your actions were on film you'd try and nail the centreline on landing :rolleyes:

Started watching but after the first 15 minutes decided to change channel to watch Midsomer Murders.

Haha yeah I remember that thread. By the end, I thought it was a wind up and gave up. Subsequent offerings convinced me it was for real...

It needs more sex and violence.

No one, I didn't have any success in opening your link.

I did find this, from Australian Flying in 2013, while I was browsing...

CASA has confirmed that pilots will need to comply with the regulations of CASR 21.M to install "GoPro" type cameras on the external surface of an aircraft.

Under CASR 21.M (the old CAR35), a CASA authorised person has to approve the installation against existing airworthiness standards before the aeroplane can be flown.

"Attaching anything to the external surfaces of an aircraft, whether it is the wing or not, is considered a modification," CASA's spokesperson said.

"Depending on what is being attached, it may have an effect on the aerodynamics, structure and depending on its location it can affect the airspeed/altimeter readings, etc. Therefore, the alteration to the aircraft needs to be justified against the applicable airworthiness standard.

"Civil Aviation Regulations (CAR) 1988 regulation 35 was repealed approximately two years ago and replace by CASA Subpart 21.M. However, CASR Subpart 21.M has the same requirements as CAR 35 did.

"CASR Subpart 21.M does not disallow the installation of a modification or alteration to an aircraft, it is a regulation that allows design approval of the modification. CAR 42U requires any modification or repair to an aircraft to be installed in accordance with approved data. Therefore attaching a temporary modification must be done to 21.M approved data by an appropriately licenced person."

With the proliferation of GoPro-style cameras for videos and still shots, the issue has been bought into sharp focus, especially when those shots are published or put on websites.


Read more at CASA Confirms External Camera Ruling - Australian Flying

Feueraxt, the sex is provided by professional / conscientious pilots watching this and screaming FFS

Oh, well. Garbage bulldropping show that it is at least its got more integrity then the subject matter of those other shows on TV... that's the shows staring turnBull, bisHop, and pYne.

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But the viewers would know that it's OK to cross a broken centre line, painted on bitumen.

Outnabout,

Hopefully this link works:
https://www.casa.gov.au/files/023c01pdf

"Luck of the draw, when your number's up, your number's up.....":sad:

Oh that's great Tegan........do you pray as well?:bored:

You know what ACMS? I have always subscribed to that theory too. And no, I don't pray.

DF.

DF I know mate but it does seem a bit melodramatic even considering the knowledge of the average viewers...We all know a little more planning goes into it, not to mention science and physics.....P charts, W&B etc......

We don't just put an finger in the wind and say "she'll be right, luck of the draw"

So what is approved data? and where must it be recorded?

I think to myself why on earth would these people agree to be filmed? It's not mandatory. You can say no.

When that Airline show was being filmed at Tiger Airways a few years ago only a couple of people refused to take part.

One of the people who refused worked in Ops so if there was a turn back or AOG and he was working he wouldn't let the production crew in the office. The producers would lose their s*#t at him because 99% of the time nothing happened worth filming. They would wait for shift change then "re enact" the drama.

It was said that the lengths people would go to just to get 10 seconds on TV was scary. They would say anything the producer wanted them too.

Yes, but it's brilliant entertainment on free to air TV. There's far worse out there!

I just so love the lost cattle and goats stories. (The photography of the bush is always well appreciated by me.)

Invariably, there's a happy ending..

Done and dusted - Thank the Lord.

You obviously know a few of the 'actors' in the series and just caint wait to give them hell for making such muppets of them selves..;)






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In 2007 I was tasked with taking a production team, a vet and his assistant to Bathurst Island where they were filming an episode for "Outback Vet". I thought this is going to be an easy day - quick trip then a restful day followed by a quick trip back to Darwin. Ha!

We had to walk out to the aircraft 3 times being filled from behind, in front and from the side. Then we were filmed boarding the aircraft, then of course I had to get out again to get the bloody production crew in as well. At Bathurst Island the vet and his assistant had to be filmed getting out of the aircraft. Then I had to do a circuit so the aircraft could be filmed landing. Then they all departed for the community for the day.

Bathurst Island at the time didn't have lights and last light was starting to get close and I didn't have the number for the director's assistant. So ring Darwin, they only had the production house number in Sydney. Ring them. Get the assistant's number. Ring her - get one very peed off lady who wants to do serious damage to the director as he is being totally pretentious about filming his magnum opus. Advise her that if they aren't back in 30 minutes were on the island for the night. Some serious swearing followed followed by..."we'll be there".

I thought, great - it will work out well. Oh no, when director arrives he wants to film more scenes of boarding etc. I give him a time limit at which the look on his face can only be described as one who has been told that his favourite cafe is out of coffee and has been served tea instead.

Thankfully, the 402 is tightly cowled and temps come up quickly. We got airborne with only a minute or two to spare. The episode never went to air. It wound up on Channel 7 web site only. So much for the 15 minutes of fame.

Those film crews used to really irritate me. If only they knew how close they came to getting a very large Avgas nozzle shoved up their rear ends!
Also remember one day standing out of sight of the camera crew behind another aircraft & making the pilot of the mail run plane laugh by making obscene hand gestures which conveyed what I thought of them, which resulted in them having to shoot the scene a few more times. Revenge is sweet sometimes!

DF.

I guess that starring in GA free to air TV was far more challenging than I'd expected. :ooh:

Gerry, some of the camera crew that irritated me did come close to being "filled from behind" - with a large Avgas nozzle! ;)

DF.

Gerry, I too had no idea such opportunities existed. The cynics amongst us might even suggest that being in GA is good preparation to participate in such activities. Just BYO pineapple?

The results might not be shown on free to air Telly, though.

I blame age, red wine and late hour. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. :hmm: