CASA wants to know everything about you.. and they will.
 

Aviation safety body applies for 'metadata' access - Computerworld

CASa has requested unlimited access to Metadata.... WFT for? so, we can get rid of the ASIC?

Unbelievable!!!
I have to wonder how far in the future 1984 will become a reality?

Somehow the thought of some of the scumbags that inhabit Fort
Fumble snooping through ones email sends a chill up my spine.
They are already demanding access to medical records through a national
data base, whats next? bugged offices?, secret camera's in cockpits?, knowing the predilection of some of them, bugged bedrooms? especially the kiddies.
They'll be bugging confessional boxes next!
CAsA really is getting crazy, they'll be demanding body armour and fire arms next.

I'm happy for CASA to have my Meta data.

BUT

Let them go to court to get a warrant, and at the same time make that application public knowledge prior to the court hearing.

My guess is it won't then happen.

A Jeffery Robertson conundrum! If CASA can access my data am I allow to access theirs? Fairs Fair.

CASA have nothing to do with the administration of the legislation governing ASICs. Except for the fact they are an issuing body, and a very inept one at that.

That's Ok. My metadata inbox will be chockers with data from Buzztybabes.com Buzzmebabes.com and Homegrowninterracialbuzzing.com.

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Well, a few CASA investigations started with YouTube and Social Media posts so I can see why metadata might be useful.

This fixation with metadata is short-sighted and will be ultimately fruitless as it is easily defeated by anonymous browsers and proxies.

Politicians and bureaucrats are fixated with controlling the internet, but have a poor understanding of it.

What don't they have a poor understanding of?

For once Peter, I agree with you.

Under the metadata rules, you force criminals to adopt things like IP skipping and all other lil tools that can make you annonymous on the net.

Better to have not data retention laws, kill the cost imposing INDUSTRY in infancy and let the crims post away believing they are immune.

Anything and everything you put on the internet is there for ever.

with not much skill you can even google posts you have made here and since deleted.

I see no reason for CASA to access the metadata. ATSB perhaps.. but that should be applied for inline with an investigation.

Dont forget, your metadata isnt just your internet browsing, they know where your mobile phone has been, who you have rang, who rang you, who you sent a SMS to and who sent them to you, and the exact times you did this.. so, if they wanted to, they could find out when you left home, when you got to the airport, when you checked your weather app, when you used an electronic EFB that went online, and track your flight, when you landed, and where you went when you landed....

yay, for freedom! it seams Australian society decided they didnt want the right to privacy, because, you have nothing to hide remember.....:ugh:

When did this happen?

They won't reveal the list of agencies that have metadata access,but it includes the likes of the RSPCA and local councils.The ATO has applied for access too.

If CASA gets metadata access, you are immediately identified on PPrune. A simple search of dates and posting times will out you in a second.

It won't be an issue if you have nothing to hide. If you thought you were anonymous on here anyway, you were kidding yourself.

(GK)

Perpetual state surveillance, never ending wars with shifting enemies?

We've been there for some time already.

Time for everyone to read up on TOR, VPN's and proxies.

Squawk7700 - everyone has stuff they assume is hidden. They might be 100% legal but everyone has stuff they'd rather wasn't public knowledge.

Would you be happy that your FOI knows that you rang a doctor specialising in STDs? (Happens to be a social acquaintance.) Or that your wife visited the Beyond Blue website? (Perhaps has a friend who is not so flash.) Etc etc

All perfectly legal and maybe even honourable - but you wouldn't want stuff like that to be public - it's called privacy.

Given the scum that inhabit the halls of Fort Fumble, especially the NSW chapter, these are the people who are quit comfortable perjuring themselves in court, manufacturing "evidence" etc. there is enormous potential for blackmail.
At what point does coercion become blackmail? These are NOT honorable people being handed our private lives!!

Agencies and companies that could (e.g telcos), have been collecting your metadata for over a decade now.

The sneaky ones have been onselling your data to the black market (e.g insurance brokers).

Yes there are privacy laws, etc, etc, but my experience of big business is that there are many morally deficient individuals working for them.

CASA has been a bit slow in wanting a piece of the action, and the only thing that would probably come of it is your favourite coffee being available at the places you frequent.

To find out and punish the anti CASA people on the forums. For what other reason escapes me.:mad:

The problem with access to metadata is that CASA will have access to your Internet browsing history among other things and it then becomes a simple matter to run searches of its licence database against particular topics of interests.

For Avmed, what pilots have looked up the terms "heart attack", "heart disease", high blood pressure, etc. etc. etc.

For anyone facing prosecution by CASA, access to your metadata is going to identify your lawyers, your witnesses, your expert witnesses and your entire defence strategy.

As for associations like the RAA, SAAA, etc. CASa can get a very good idea of your business strategy and internal organisation.

There is really no limit to CASA power once they have this access and from available evidence of past experience, CASA is a vindictive, untrustworthy and corrupt organisation. They WILL misuse metadata!

And metadata is far, far more than just what you've been searching for on the internet. Were you fatigued before an incident? If you say you weren't, why do your mobile records indicate a series of texts sent and received through the night, and can you justify keeping your job? Searching something on BeyondBlue, for whatever reason? Are you sure you aren't depressed? Say yes and you are seen as depressed, say no and you are seen as both depressed and lying to your medical examiner or CASA, both of which can have serious and ongoing implications for your employment.

Metadata also binds together a lot of otherwise separate information, which makes it so powerful. The tracking cookie on your home PC might know your browser history, the work PC might know you are a regular on the AFAP jobs website and pprune, the phone company knows who you call and when, and from where, the spyware you inadvertently installed may know your preference for busty blondes, but storing all this information collected across different devices and locations and collating it into one dataset, linked to you, for CASA, is far more powerful and dangerous than any individual organisation that previously had a piece of the overall picture.

Having an affair, or conducting anything else that you may not wish to be public knowledge but isnt otherwise illegal, there are plenty of pointers available through the metadata of when phone calls are made, or not answered (say late night calls that aren't answered when the wife's cell phone is logged in at the same location), when mobile phones log onto cell towers and when they move around from one cell to the next.

As far as claiming this helps stop crime and terrorism, TOR, VPN and numerous other forms of encrypted communication are already in use that effectively stop this form of tracking being useful, this is only a way to keep track of those people who arent seriously trying to cover their tracks; laws that everyone accepted in the name of national security are being twisted to watch everyone. People suspected of serious crimes will be surveilled, bugged by police or intelligence services following proper procedures such as obtaining warrants and otherwise monitored, this just watches everyone else that hasn't committed a crime (yet) until someone decides to leaf through reams of data and find something. Did your phone log onto a cell tower before you landed? But your company procedure is phones in flight mode, are you this neglectful of all your procedures or just the ones you disagree with?

Given that most people would have their phones off in an aeroplane how is meta data actually going to help CASA in their goal of regulating the CARs?

Another question to ask is who does CASA share its information with?

I would be interested in seeing their submission if it is available.

It would be pretty easy to match a phone location to a logbook if logbook trolling were to take place retrospectively. Add that to accessing weather forecasts would be on record. Even your data card could be traced from your data service using OZRunways or Avplan. The potential is almost endless...

Keep your nose clean as they say, stay out of trouble and you won't have a problem, because there's not much you can do about it other than go off the grid completely!

A few other aspects of metadata collection that I have witnessed are:

1) Most professional criminal organisations already know how to bypass or obfuscate the metadata trails they may create.

2) Agencies or organisations can fabricate a set of metadata trails to suit their own agendas. This is an extremely difficult for an individual to disprove.

3) The metadata collection system, by it very own closed system nature, is itself corruptible.

De Flieger...

and when did "everyone" accept these laws in the name of national security? Last I remember in this "Dictatorship Democracy" the people of Australia have whatever rammed down their throats whether 99% of the public like it or not.

Watch the following video - I think it sums up the situation nicely. :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o66FUc61MvU

TOR
 

When I try to access this site from TOR it does not seem to be able to do it. Have they blocked the browser from getting access to this site?

Why do you think I defend them sometimes? It's all about prior planning, you know. You blokes are way behind the 8 ball now! :)

...And always have a background window open on the CASA jobs website!

Oh, wait - no, that'll flag up in some other departments/companies download of your metadata information. :)

"Led Zep, you're identified; verify medical history and online credit card transactions."

With the proliferation of free wifi around the country like in Melbourne CBD, trains, buses, McDonalds and shopping centers, the value of metadata related to Internet browsing will soon be dininished.

Very clever :8
Not enough people spoke out against the metadata retention laws, because of the claim that they would only be used to stop terrorists and child abusers, and now everyone is stuck with them, with neither party likely to change them for fear that the other side will say they are "wanting to make life easy for the terrorists". I was against them and I guess you probably were too Sbaker, but as you say, we got them anyway. (The Greens opposed them, but apparently they are a bunch of filthy commie so-and-so's :E that noone likes around here).

With the proliferation of free wifi around the country, the value of metadata will be greatly increased - your uniquely identifiable device logged on at certain WiFi access points, showing where you were, when you were there, what you looked up, how long you stayed and even where you moved around in certain situations. That's what they are wanting to store (among many other things).

Who gives a ****? Really.

Quite the contrary. Do you think the bad guys will be using their own device for such activities? No. Do you think that McDonalds keep a record of all MAC addresses of all devices that accesses their free wifi? No. Do you think that a smart criminal (if in fact there is such a thing) will use a device that can be linked to their identity? No.

Who cares? Good question... If you've for nothing to worry about then this would be no problem, but just imagine if you made a mistake in your logbook and wrote down Melbourne to Sydney when in fact you actually travelled to Brisbane and CASA does their logbook trolling on you, combined with a review of your metadata???

Do I think the bad guys will be using their own devices? No. The seriously bad guys have many different encrypted or hidden methods of communication, this will only affect the rest of us. Do I think McDonalds keep a record of every MAC address that accesses their WiFi? Probably not, maybe, but its certainly not impossible, and if you access Telstra WiFi or similar then you can expect it to be retained. The MAC address isnt the only thing that necessarily identifies a user or device either.

Does McDonalds keep a record of every MAC address? No! MsDonalds ISP does!

Using an untraceable second hand laptop will work….until you visit your email account or attempt to contact your friends with it. Or when the machine with the invisible MAC address is always used where your iPhone is - travels with the iPhone in fact.

Then of course there is the little matter of your Ozrunways running on your iPad…. If it is accessing the Bom, Naips or the Ozrunways traffic server then "ping".

The paranoia is high in this thread. I hear if you wrap your phone in tin foil you'll be right.

I am not sure about metadata, data storage and surveillance, and CASA's use of all of this. (They want to know that I spend my own time watching Youtube cats or live streaming C&W radio from America? Their lives are sadder than my pay packet.)


However, I do remember reading an accident report from the States, where the cause of the RPT flight accident was due to pilot fatigue. Part of the evidence presented was the co-pilots use of mobile phone to search social media sites and to text, during the allotted rest period. I also seem to remember that when an Aerocommander went in off Horn Island in 2011, mobile phone records and bank transaction records were used to track his activity the night prior to the accident. No sleep records were listed in the ATSB report, which showed no conclusions but speculated that fatigue was an issue.


I was only wondering a few days ago - with the rise in individuals wearing Fitbits, which record movement and sleep debt, how long before we see the information recorded on one of these devices presented in a coroner's court. Your Honour, the device records show that at the time of the accident the accused was six hours sleep deprived, and no significant movement was recorded in the four hours prior to the accident, indicating that the accused did not take advantage of the mandated rest break every two hours........in my opinion, this is not just aviation, but also applies to truckies, and (I think) will shortly include Joe Bloggs, driving over Xmas holidays....

It's not so much the surveillance powers, it's the way they can be misused and the limited power an individual has when they are.

The NSW ICAC were eavesdropping on NSW prosecutor Margaret Cuneen SC since 2008, and in 2014 they acted on a lighthearted cell phone conversation with a crash repairer to charge her with attempting to pervert the course of justice (it was not revealed why they were eavesdropping in the first place).

CASA have in the past been selective about who they prosecute, and failed dismally to act on others who deserved to be.

Recall their handling of John Quadrio and then Barry Hempel.

The Levine report into the ICAC described their actions as "arrogant", "unlawful" and "abuse of power".

Does any of this sound like the CASA you know?

Would you trust them to know who you communicate with by cell phone and what websites you visit?

Apparently the Australian Crime Commission was monitoring the phone of a tow truck driver suspected of links to organised crime, and when they heard the conversation between someone using the tow truck driver's phone after a car accident and Margaret Cunneen, they passed it onto ICAC. Margaret Cunneen says she was joking about telling her son's girlfriend to fake chest pains
(Apologies for the thread drift)

Would I trust the C**** Against Sensible Aviation with anything??

About as much as I trust any Politician:mad: of any political persuasion. Which is less than I would trust a Tiger Snake.