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Old 5th Dec 2015, 00:00
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CASA wants to know everything about you.. and they will.

Aviation safety body applies for 'metadata' access - Computerworld

CASa has requested unlimited access to Metadata.... WFT for? so, we can get rid of the ASIC?
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 00:18
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Unbelievable!!!
I have to wonder how far in the future 1984 will become a reality?

Somehow the thought of some of the scumbags that inhabit Fort
Fumble snooping through ones email sends a chill up my spine.
They are already demanding access to medical records through a national
data base, whats next? bugged offices?, secret camera's in cockpits?, knowing the predilection of some of them, bugged bedrooms? especially the kiddies.
They'll be bugging confessional boxes next!
CAsA really is getting crazy, they'll be demanding body armour and fire arms next.
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 01:01
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I'm happy for CASA to have my Meta data.

BUT

Let them go to court to get a warrant, and at the same time make that application public knowledge prior to the court hearing.

My guess is it won't then happen.

A Jeffery Robertson conundrum! If CASA can access my data am I allow to access theirs? Fairs Fair.
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 01:11
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CASa has requested unlimited access to Metadata.... WFT for? so, we can get rid of the ASIC?
CASA have nothing to do with the administration of the legislation governing ASICs. Except for the fact they are an issuing body, and a very inept one at that.
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 06:17
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That's Ok. My metadata inbox will be chockers with data from Buzztybabes.com Buzzmebabes.com and Homegrowninterracialbuzzing.com.

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Old 5th Dec 2015, 06:31
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Well, a few CASA investigations started with YouTube and Social Media posts so I can see why metadata might be useful.

This fixation with metadata is short-sighted and will be ultimately fruitless as it is easily defeated by anonymous browsers and proxies.

Politicians and bureaucrats are fixated with controlling the internet, but have a poor understanding of it.
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Politicians and bureaucrats are fixated with controlling the internet, but have a poor understanding of it.
What don't they have a poor understanding of?
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 09:24
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For once Peter, I agree with you.

Under the metadata rules, you force criminals to adopt things like IP skipping and all other lil tools that can make you annonymous on the net.

Better to have not data retention laws, kill the cost imposing INDUSTRY in infancy and let the crims post away believing they are immune.

Anything and everything you put on the internet is there for ever.

with not much skill you can even google posts you have made here and since deleted.

I see no reason for CASA to access the metadata. ATSB perhaps.. but that should be applied for inline with an investigation.
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 11:34
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That's Ok. My metadata inbox will be chockers with data from Buzztybabes.com Buzzmebabes.com and Homegrowninterracialbuzzing.com.
Dont forget, your metadata isnt just your internet browsing, they know where your mobile phone has been, who you have rang, who rang you, who you sent a SMS to and who sent them to you, and the exact times you did this.. so, if they wanted to, they could find out when you left home, when you got to the airport, when you checked your weather app, when you used an electronic EFB that went online, and track your flight, when you landed, and where you went when you landed....

yay, for freedom! it seams Australian society decided they didnt want the right to privacy, because, you have nothing to hide remember.....
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 14:29
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They are already demanding access to medical records through a national data base
When did this happen?
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 19:18
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They won't reveal the list of agencies that have metadata access,but it includes the likes of the RSPCA and local councils.The ATO has applied for access too.
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If CASA gets metadata access, you are immediately identified on PPRuNe. A simple search of dates and posting times will out you in a second.
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 22:18
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If CASA gets metadata access, you are immediately identified on PPRuNe. A simple search of dates and posting times will out you in a second.
It won't be an issue if you have nothing to hide. If you thought you were anonymous on here anyway, you were kidding yourself.

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Old 5th Dec 2015, 22:50
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Unbelievable!!!
I have to wonder how far in the future 1984 will become a reality?
Perpetual state surveillance, never ending wars with shifting enemies?

We've been there for some time already.
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 22:53
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If CASA gets metadata access, you are immediately identified on PPRuNe. A simple search of dates and posting times will out you in a second.
Time for everyone to read up on TOR, VPN's and proxies.
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 23:41
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Squawk7700 - everyone has stuff they assume is hidden. They might be 100% legal but everyone has stuff they'd rather wasn't public knowledge.

Would you be happy that your FOI knows that you rang a doctor specialising in STDs? (Happens to be a social acquaintance.) Or that your wife visited the Beyond Blue website? (Perhaps has a friend who is not so flash.) Etc etc

All perfectly legal and maybe even honourable - but you wouldn't want stuff like that to be public - it's called privacy.
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Given the scum that inhabit the halls of Fort Fumble, especially the NSW chapter, these are the people who are quit comfortable perjuring themselves in court, manufacturing "evidence" etc. there is enormous potential for blackmail.
At what point does coercion become blackmail? These are NOT honorable people being handed our private lives!!
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 09:46
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Agencies and companies that could (e.g telcos), have been collecting your metadata for over a decade now.

The sneaky ones have been onselling your data to the black market (e.g insurance brokers).

Yes there are privacy laws, etc, etc, but my experience of big business is that there are many morally deficient individuals working for them.

CASA has been a bit slow in wanting a piece of the action, and the only thing that would probably come of it is your favourite coffee being available at the places you frequent.
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 19:04
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To find out and punish the anti CASA people on the forums. For what other reason escapes me.
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 20:02
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The problem with access to metadata is that CASA will have access to your Internet browsing history among other things and it then becomes a simple matter to run searches of its licence database against particular topics of interests.

For Avmed, what pilots have looked up the terms "heart attack", "heart disease", high blood pressure, etc. etc. etc.

For anyone facing prosecution by CASA, access to your metadata is going to identify your lawyers, your witnesses, your expert witnesses and your entire defence strategy.

As for associations like the RAA, SAAA, etc. CASa can get a very good idea of your business strategy and internal organisation.

There is really no limit to CASA power once they have this access and from available evidence of past experience, CASA is a vindictive, untrustworthy and corrupt organisation. They WILL misuse metadata!
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