Let's face it the PC-12 is bigger, faster, more ergonomic, more cost efficient and has better single engine climb performance! :ok:

Still I'm happy SE has stuck with the old Beech! ;)

UUUmmmmm......

HH I'm sure that was said "Tounge in Cheek"....

On an average return flight from PD to JT, the PC 12 takes about 30 -40 minutes longer than the B200 did...Slower in climb (both R.O.C and IAS and cruise).

Perhaps we should use the term "One Engine-Out Performance" rather than Single-Engine Climb Performance.....Think the B200 might have a slight advantage.

Not saying the PC-12 doesnt have its good points, it surely does, but is not the best option for Aeromed in terms of safety, particularly at night/IMC.

Still, the bean counters assure us that it is well and truly cheaper to operate these than the B200's.
Hans

Put simply its a Risk Vs Cost exercise and the ones conducting it will probably never have their asses strapped into it.

Not a problem....when the Flight Nurse passes up the bottle. :ok:

A single engine is not dangerous.

The most dangerous thing on an aircraft, is a schedule.

Come on Towering Q, what about the pisserphone?

Of course asking for the pan means a lifetime of ribbing from your workmates! ;)
I'm shocked, maybe the sales hype, was just sales hype after all!:}

After watching that King Air crash in India on the PP Bizjet and AG forum maybe the 12 is safer

This?



http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=046_1398741457
http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...27-2014-a.html

So the Aussie RFDS bought one for $5m and are selling it to NZ for $2m, have I got that right?

That's quite a loss for Aus although many may argue that it's a good thing to get rid of it.

I would think it's unlikely the RFDS will be selling one of their NG's but maybe one of the older one's that there is talk Queensland Section will be retiring next year. Could be way off the mark though!!!

Maybe when the new PIlatus jet arrives for Central Section, the bean counters may offer our Kiwi cousins a few of the older PC-12's at the right price!

Perhaps they were going to give the PC-12 a run around the pylons at Wanaka?

Ha-ha, that's funny! :D

Actually I'm just jealous because we won't be seeing a jet anytime soon! ;)

HH, didn't somebody from your section put in for the FOM job at central section. Perhaps a little fly in the PC-12 to discuss secret mens business?

The blokes that are saying that there is not a lot of difference In operating costs between the PC-12 and the b200 how are you arriving at those figures? I've run a rough count over fuel figures alone based on 600lb for the b200 and 450 for the PC-12 which over 20000 hours works out to a saving of 3.75 million alone for the PC-12. Chuck on top the extra 2 million for the purchase price on the kingair. The PC-12 must be a hell of a maintenance hog if the operating costs are similar.

yep, the maintenance is the killer and nope, the PC12 is actually more.

Actually the rudder arrangement in the PC12 means that you cannot - as a 6'4" pilot - extend your feet down between the pedals for a stretch, unlike the B200. Also the pilot seat in the B200 has multiple adjustments in all dimensions plus inflatable lumbar support. The door in the PC12 is nice but not nice enough to forgo the advantages of the B200.

Would be interested to see your figures on maintenance Jamair, having operated both types the PC-12 in our operation is approx 75% cheaper to run than the B200 including maintenance.

Even the independent 3rd party costing programs show the PC-12 to be cheaper to run. What are we missing here ?? The extra fuel burn alone in the B200 breaks the wallet.

We've got a 6'3" pilot on staff and he says he rests his feet on top of the rudder pedals comfortably in the PC-12 when he needs to stretch his legs.

The pilot seats in our PC-12's have a multitude of adjustments (and also inflatable lumbar support) as standard. I know the earlier legacy PC-12's didn't have as much adjustment (or lumbar support) but the ones we fly do.

Yeah, nah, stick with what works for you dude. 75% cheaper? Riiiighttt....:hmm:

75% cheaper all sounds good for the bean counting boffins sitting in their cosy offices 9-5 they aren't the ones out there flying over tiger country in a SE at night in solid IMC all the way to the hills!!!
PASS:-)


Wmk2

Jamair until you can come up with some figures I just can't see how you can justify that. I fly the classic Pc-12 and I'm 6"3 and 110kg. I have 1000 odd hours on the b200 and find the PC-12 cockpit far easier to get into and with has more room than the kingair. Yes you do lose a bit on the leg room but I can deal with that.

As far as an aeromed aircraft give me the PC-12 anyday. Trailing link undercarriage, huge cargo door. More range and more payload and gives away very little in speed. The new b200's are so heavy and the 250 even more so they are becoming more and more impractical. It will be a a ridiculous waste of money when the rfds has to start replacing them with the 350