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MadMadMike 15th Jan 2014 09:08

Darwin award candidates and CASA fodder
 
Posted to Facebook today in the Necknomianation craze is two complete tossers hanging from a helicopter while downing beers. Clearly having the money to afford a helicopter and licence does not imply having the intelligence and judgment to deserve either.

VH-YBL for those who are interested.

Dickheads in a Ferrari Necknominate from a helicopter - YouTube

Aussie Bob 15th Jan 2014 09:22

Awww come on, give us a break, its just kids having fun ....

Ultralights 15th Jan 2014 09:29

kids having fun ..... i get it CASA kids having fun...

Cactusjack 15th Jan 2014 09:36

Very enjoyable video! Would like to see them do that on Sydney Harbour, with maybe a 'browneye' thrown in for good measure :ok:
Love the Chopper colour lads. You should paint the Ferrari in matching colours :ok:

P.S Inspector Plod from the CAsA Third Reich will be knocking on your hangar door tomorrow morning := As amusing as it was, it is just a tad naughty and somebody will have to pay the reaper.

Perhaps it is the heat wave at the moment or a full moon, but ol mate below went in the water in a budgie cage while a pissed off tiger shark stared him down;


"Safe skies and water for all"

Creampuff 15th Jan 2014 09:47

Unless the VH has been photo-shopped into the video, it seems yet another fish has thrown himself into the CASA frying pan.

Astonishing. :rolleyes:

Mach E Avelli 15th Jan 2014 09:49

The real retard was the one flying it. - Let's see:


Loading more pax than seats? not strapping pax in, not securing cargo on skids (if allowed at all?) dropping objects (are bogans 'objects'?).
And the biggie - setting himself up to be caught.... SO EASILY. Derrr.


He does not need to be prosecuted for any of the above. Mental disorders are a defence against most crimes. Surely his medical examiner will certify him as of unsound mind and he won't be flying anything ever again?


When I go to bed tonight I will pray that Darwin gets them all before they have a chance to breed.

peterc005 15th Jan 2014 09:50

What is it about helicopter pilots that compels them to do really dumb things and then post it on Youtube?

Every other time this has been done it's ended up in tears for the video stars.

RobShan 15th Jan 2014 10:02

That's terrible, they threw a beer bottle into the dam.

Cactusjack 15th Jan 2014 10:13

So the Popodopolous boys have Ferrari's and Choppers and loads of bling to play with, that's cool, I get it. But, why in gods name are they drinking VB? No Crown Lager, a Boag or vanilla latte? WTF.

peterc005 15th Jan 2014 10:21

It's a bit hard to stay low-key and off the regulatory radar when you hoon around in a bright orange R44 and post a video on Youtube.

The passengers in the yellow Ferrari looked like Lebo drug dealers.

Ejector 15th Jan 2014 14:33

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Biggles78 15th Jan 2014 17:43


Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
Awww come on, give us a break, its just kids having fun ....

I thought I was having fun once but realised 30 seconds too late that I came too close to permanently emptying my bag of luck and my bag of experience was pretty darn empty as well. :O

Maybe the pilot is looking for a job at a certain FNQ station coz he seems to be "keeping up with" them.

500N 15th Jan 2014 18:22

" Maybe the pilot is looking for a job at a certain FNQ station coz he
seems to be "keeping up with" them."

Apart from the fact it's in the NT ;) :O

VH-XXX 15th Jan 2014 19:19

The owner of all the assets is a Sydney Fruiterer.

Cactusjack 15th Jan 2014 19:38

Beautiful!
 

The owner of all the assets is a Sydney Fruiterer.
That's good, as the inbound CAsA pineapple won't be unfamiliar to him :ok:

The owner?

sms777 15th Jan 2014 20:23

Is there more chance to get a Darwin award if you lived in Darwin?.....just curious. :}

rioncentu 15th Jan 2014 20:25

Yeah both the Chopper vid and the budgie smuggler shark diver were on the news in one night. Why TF do they show this on TV - Just more clowns want to try it.


But yeah - Why oh why do something stupid and illegal and post it on the net with your REGO? That is seriously dumb.

Pappa Smurf 15th Jan 2014 22:32

At least they had the sense to grab and let go of the skids together.

bankrunner 15th Jan 2014 22:57

CASA won't do anything about it.

Actual safety issues in GA don't get a look in. Only trivial paperwork inconsistencies by AOC holders are of interest to CASA. They'll probably give the lot of them (pilot and "passengers") jobs as FOIs :E

Ultralights 15th Jan 2014 23:53

good thing they didnt film it with a gopro attached anywhere!

onetrack 16th Jan 2014 00:15

C'mon guys! - Ya get a few blokes showing off their superior daredevil and machine control skills - and you lot get all conchy and righteous and PC about it! :=

Ya gotta remember, these blokes are practicing for an upcoming amazing bushfire rescue, or for prime roles in a new action TV series!! :)
Cruise and all the other hero actors are proud of 'em! - they're doing all the stunt work themselves! :ooh: ;)

Cactusjack 16th Jan 2014 00:42


CASA won't do anything about it.
Actual safety issues in GA don't get a look in.
Not so sure about that, ask Quadrio. Also the Australian taxpayer was relieved of several million dollars thanks to Fort Fumbles obsession to pursue him to hell and back :=
The reality is that although this was a stupid act, the biggest risk was to the two buffoons hanging off the skids and the Nimrod flying the bird (and perhaps a cow or two). Should it go unpunished, no. Should precious manpower and millions be spent on chasing these goons, no. Tis a conundrum.

Guilders 16th Jan 2014 03:12

Somebody earlier mentioned mitigating against the risks with this little act of stupidity......the single best and most effective mitigating strategy is:
DON'T DO IT!:mad:

onetrack 16th Jan 2014 03:40

Cactusjack, there have been some serious offences noted in this foolishly-videoed episode. By the time the NSW EPA has finished with this pack of littering crims, they'll have to sell the Ferrari to pay the littering fines. :eek:

NSW Litter Laws:

"The littering offences are:

littering (including littering from vehicles): depositing litter on land or waters in a public place or an open private place
aggravated littering: littering which is reasonably likely to cause or contribute to appreciable danger or harm to any persons, animals, premises or property
depositing, or causing someone to deposit, advertising material in a public place or open private place other than in a mail box or under a door
depositing, or causing someone to deposit, advertising material on any vehicle.
The littering fines applicable to these offences are:

a single fine for littering has been replaced with a tiered range of fines
$60 for littering with small items, such as bottle tops and cigarette butts
$200 for general littering, and for littering from vehicles
$400 for littering from a vehicle (corporations)
$375 for aggravated littering which threatens public safety or the environment, such as intentionally breaking glass or depositing lit cigarette butts during fire seasons
$750 for aggravated littering (corporations)
littering on private land will be better regulated
from 1 April 2001 it will be illegal for advertising material to be placed under car windscreen wipers, on property gates or fences, and other inappropriate areas where it has the potential to become litter."

chute packer 16th Jan 2014 04:52

Pilot to be questioned over stunt

Looks like CAsA has noticed.

Old Akro 16th Jan 2014 10:14

This is going to get interesting.

Personally, I don't have a huge problem with it. It looks like they planned and possibly rehearsed it. They were never high, and it was on private land. It might have been a dumb bogan act, but if we stopped every dumb bogan act ......

But, CASA are in a world of trouble if they treat this pilot any differently than John Quadrio. (search the thread and read it if you are not familiar). One of the major things they got John on was hovering " dangerously" . The testimony of CASA's expert witnesses was specific and detailed. I can't see that this hover is any different. If they let this pilot off, then the John Quadrio case MUST be re-opened. If CASA are consistent, this pilot has got to lose his licence or alternatively CASA must relent on John Quadrio.

I also suspect that the farm might be deemed a workplace. There might be a whole world of pain with work cover as well.

VH-XXX 16th Jan 2014 10:25

A CASA representative has already appeared on television stating that the stunt was dangerous and that should the engine fail, the hangers-on would be squashed. Sounds like reckless endangerment coming up to me.

onetrack 16th Jan 2014 11:56

I wonder how long it will be, before these people who carry out idiotic manoeuvres - and who then video them and post them publically for all to see - will suddenly be on the receiving end of an email or SMS, from their insurer - stating that their insurance has been withdrawn, forthwith - due to unlawful activities being performed, that were not mentioned on their insurance application form?? :ugh::ugh::ugh:

With current trends, I don't reckon it will be very long. :(

aroa 16th Jan 2014 11:59

Aah yes...the "if" syndrome
 
This is CAsA's ace up the sleeve.!! The danger! the danger ! Ooh aah.

IF the engine failed..think of the consequences. Flat bogans....so !

IF he crashed into a kindergarten...think of the kiddies...and this was a light aircraft they were on about. Consider the A 380.! Oh, no issue with Qantas..that's all right then.

And in the JQ case it was IF the mast /blades departing due to his "aerobatics" as defined by some CAsA plonker...Oh the potential disaster and terror of it all.
Why dont CAsA just convince the Minister/miniscule that GA is SO dangerous just close down the lot. ( they're working on it)

May I suggest all CAsA people, please just remain indoors at home. IF they drive to work they might be victim of a traffic accident, tram strike,whatever.
Its a very dangerous world out there

ps..and JQs "flight video" ( if it was his) was sent to the Robbo manufacturers...and they had no problem with it.

pps..someone mentioned 'consistency'...uh oh... this is CAsa we're talking about, remember.

Kharon 16th Jan 2014 19:38

Gee whiz troops; not sure that you can be found guilty of being 'reckless' to yourself. You'd need expert evidence that the video was kosher; no expert, but have a close look, there are some interesting 'continuity' gaffs, small but noticeable (watch the over ocean bit and watch the muscle stress lines). It's a bit too 'artificial' and contrived for my tastes. TIMA9X seems to have a clue about 'video' and camera shop works, perhaps we should ask. You've all seen movies and know what can be done with a 'blue screen' and a clever computer, remember Lord of the Rings and remember how easily fooled by the magic of the silver screen we all are. The bottle drop was disgusting, for that, no mercy. Off with their heads.

Two bob spent, budget balanced.....:D

VH-XXX 16th Jan 2014 20:51

You are right Kharon; with a bit of effort you could fake such a video... I like the bit where they are zooming along in the Ferrari and then they drive the Ferrari out of a river (look closely) towards the camera.

If they did fake it they would need to keep the evidence at hand for their defence which would likely cost money to even get CASA to accept the evidence.

The RAA once took a pilot certificate off an aircraft importer who faked a video , thus removing his income and another pilot was reprimanded by CASA for faking a photo of his aircraft flying in close proximity to the Sydney Harbour bridge.

Frank Arouet 16th Jan 2014 21:04

This sort of action, photo shopped or not is what CASA expect of us all. We are all criminals just waiting to be caught. These clowns just make it worse for us all. There were probably Tiger Sharks in the dam as sell. Nobody, including The Greens give a rat's anymore.

Kharon 16th Jan 2014 21:06

XXX a'yup; the car - dam (no ripples) road no 'tracks' and a lack of moisture on the bloody awful yellow paint job is 'suss'. But have a look at the 1.30 – 1.35 segment, blink and you'd miss it but look carefully. The bit with a beach becoming a dam 1.12 is 'passing strange'. I wonder what these boys were fishing for and who paid 'em to go?.

Old Akro 16th Jan 2014 21:09


You'd need expert evidence that the video was kosher; no expert, but have a close look, there are some interesting 'continuity' gaffs, small but noticeable (watch the over ocean bit and watch the muscle stress lines).
Kharon, you may be correct, but none of that stopped CASA in the Quadrio case. In The Quadrio case it wasn't even certain that he was the pilot and the published video was constructed from video over a number of flights.

I see this as a carbon copy of the Quadrio case and I think CASA will stir up a Hornet's nest if they don't treat the two consistently. Either CASA pulls this guys licence, or relents on John Quadrio or open CASA opens itself up to new allegations of persecution of John.

Old Akro 16th Jan 2014 21:22

Here is the AAT hearing documents for John Quadrio's case

Quadrio and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2011] AATA 709 (12 October 2011)

John's "acrobatic" manoeuvre was a turnaround to land into wind. you can see choppers do this most days of the week at heliports.

The other things they pursued him on was reckless flying and low flying - particularly a low hover over water. There were no eye witnesses - just the video evidence and the evidence of CASA expert witnesses. From memory, you could photocopy the testimony of these expert witnesses and submit as evidence against this pilot.

Cactusjack 16th Jan 2014 21:28

CAsA would rather swim up a river of **** with their mouths open rather than reverse the Quadrio decision. And let's be honest, the Quadrio 'incident' is completely different to the antics of the NT orange whirlybird.
My understanding is that Quadrio does have have enough in his armoury to reignite his cause, and he has the coin too, but the energy and willpower is zapped. In other words there are more important less time consuming things to do with his life. It's a pity, though, I for one would love to see him robustly start squeezing CAsA's little testicles once again. He certainly had the beasts cage rattled :ok:

From Kilgore to Wild Hogs, this is what you do with a Chooper :ok:

Old Akro 16th Jan 2014 21:40


the Quadrio 'incident' is completely different to the antics if the NT orange whirlybird.
I don't see that.

My recollection is that they got John on Low flying by reference to other objects in the video. You can do the same here by reference to trees and a machinery shed. They also went into huge detail about hover heights & forward speed. The hover heights were estimated (by CASA) based on features like waves from the video. Once again, I think the same applies. Thirdly they got him on reckless flying

the taking of unnecessary risks with the safety of the passengers on the flight
. In John's case the passengers were correctly belted in assigned seats. If John Quadrio took unnecessary risks with his passengers, then this pilot is gone for all money. ---- That is if CASA applies the regulations evenly to all pilots.

Cactusjack 16th Jan 2014 21:46

Old Akro, sorry mate but I don't agree.
And I notice that you base your assumption of Quadrio's 'guilt' on CAsA's determination and ruling, and if you believe or accept that you will always come to an incorrect personal conclusion.
No disrespect to ya Akro, but these two incidents are very much chalk and cheese, and anything that comes out of CAsA's mouth is worth sending to Luggage Point.

Old Akro 16th Jan 2014 22:03


The bit with a beach becoming a dam
I don't see that as beach, I think its just open dirt at the edge of the dam.

I think they have driven up a driveway to a paddock area near a machinery shed, grabbed the chopper, then flown at maybe 10 - 25 ft altitude (below tree line - above machinery shed height & good clearance of the guys hanging from skids to the fences) across maybe 2 paddock fences to a dam that might be (at a guess) 300 - 500m away. It may be the dam that is visible as the Ferrari comes up the driveway. It may not be all that hard to find on google earth.

If you look at the people spaced out between the Ferrari & chopper, it looks like it has been thought through & planned (I use the term thought loosely). At least 3 video cameras have been used (someone on the ground, helmet cam and guy in the rear seat).

rodney rude 16th Jan 2014 22:09

You guys with your photoshop theories are drunk.


1. they don't drive out of a dam, have a look - there is a bridge across the dam.


2. there is no ocean - its just the edge of a "tidy" dam.


3. are you telling me the cabin shot where the camera looks left and right at dumb and dumber is not real. - or when it is about 10 ft off the dam and they are clearly hanging from the skids


4. there ARE ripple marks on the water from rotors.


All this stuff is academic anyway - they are just a pair of dumb arse lebos and the pilot should be shot for just hangin with lebos.


"BROTHAAAR - woooo"


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