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So over 20,000 people typed in their email address and clicked submit? Each and everyone of them must be 100% committed to reaching for the stars at the academy.
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Need advice on progression after flight school - NZ
Hi,
I live in NZ and am currently at a flight school completing my CPL (ATPL diploma). I would like some advice from people who have already gone through this or maybe know people that were on the same boat as me. This year, I'm turning 29 years old and I'm also married. Due to my age and marital status, I would like to know what the best option or path is into getting a job at an airline flying jets. My current idea is to finish flight school, become an instructor and gain the hours required, from there hopefully landing a job flying turboprops with airnz. This however would take another 2-3 years after becoming a flight instructor and how many years on turboprops until I get onto the jets. Are there any options going overseas after graduating flight school with only 250 hrs? (maybe second officer with cathay but repaying student loan would be impossible right) Can paying for my own way into getting 500 hrs be an alternative route than becoming a flight instructor? (I do have financial support from my parents and my wife if this was the case). I'm just worried not landing a job at this point would have huge consequences since I wouldn't have a job and would have to spend more money to become a flight instructor and wait it out. Would airlines even hire someone with no real job experience but with 500+ hrs (including other minimums like multi engine hrs etc). I am open to relocating to a different country if options are out there and is a faster route into getting a job at a major airline than the current plan. I'm Korean by the way and have seen regional ads for 250hrs but I don't know the jargons in korean and since I won't be considered an expat I doubt the conversations would happen in English between me and the captain. Their salary is pretty bad too so even if I want to work in Korea later in life, it's better to work somewhere else first then work as an expat for double or even triple the salary right? Don't have too much info on this to be honest just heard stuff. I just feel like I'm running out of time and started to feel the pressure of having to buy a house and supporting a family (looking to having kids soon...) I would appreciate any advice. |
Originally Posted by yellokiwi
(Post 10491074)
Hi,
I live in NZ and am currently at a flight school completing my CPL (ATPL diploma). I would like some advice from people who have already gone through this or maybe know people that were on the same boat as me. This year, I'm turning 29 years old and I'm also married. Due to my age and marital status, I would like to know what the best option or path is into getting a job at an airline flying jets. My current idea is to finish flight school, become an instructor and gain the hours required, from there hopefully landing a job flying turboprops with airnz. This however would take another 2-3 years after becoming a flight instructor and how many years on turboprops until I get onto the jets. Are there any options going overseas after graduating flight school with only 250 hrs? (maybe second officer with cathay but repaying student loan would be impossible right) Can paying for my own way into getting 500 hrs be an alternative route than becoming a flight instructor? (I do have financial support from my parents and my wife if this was the case). I'm just worried not landing a job at this point would have huge consequences since I wouldn't have a job and would have to spend more money to become a flight instructor and wait it out. Would airlines even hire someone with no real job experience but with 500+ hrs (including other minimums like multi engine hrs etc). I am open to relocating to a different country if options are out there and is a faster route into getting a job at a major airline than the current plan. I'm Korean by the way and have seen regional ads for 250hrs but I don't know the jargons in korean and since I won't be considered an expat I doubt the conversations would happen in English between me and the captain. Their salary is pretty bad too so even if I want to work in Korea later in life, it's better to work somewhere else first then work as an expat for double or even triple the salary right? Don't have too much info on this to be honest just heard stuff. I just feel like I'm running out of time and started to feel the pressure of having to buy a house and supporting a family (looking to having kids soon...) I would appreciate any advice. |
Originally Posted by KiwiAvi8er
(Post 10491788)
I would recommend going to Cathay buddy. Spend a year or two there, then Air NZ jet will interview you. What is the big drive to go straight to a jet ASAP? Money?
If i by miracle go to cathay, isnt there a bond of like 7 years? What happens if you break contract and would airnz hire a person with only second officer experience to their a320? Thanks for the reply too |
Originally Posted by yellokiwi
(Post 10491990)
Big drive is the money and the progression. Dont get me wrong i love flying but at my age it would be great to speed things up and if i can save couple of years by skipping instructing or turboprop i would take that route.
If i by miracle go to cathay, isnt there a bond of like 7 years? What happens if you break contract and would airnz hire a person with only second officer experience to their a320? Thanks for the reply too 29 isn’t old to be getting in to aviation either. If you’re about to start a family you might even find the Turboprop gig in NZ more suitable for time at home. The pay is reasonable and it’s quick to a command. |
Originally Posted by KiwiAvi8er
(Post 10492444)
There have been quite a few SO’s from Cathay hired by Air NZ recently. Some of these SO’s had been at Cathay less than 2 years so they’ve obviously decided what ever bond there is (I don’t know the details) is worth paying, for the opportunity to get on NZ’s list. Bear in mind this is during the back end of their growth spurt. The amount of pilots they need will reduce over the next few years which will raise the hour requirements they look for. 29 isn’t old to be getting in to aviation either. If you’re about to start a family you might even find the Turboprop gig in NZ more suitable for time at home. The pay is reasonable and it’s quick to a command. |
Fresh CPL
Hi guys fresh on this. Can you guys help me out? I’m just about to complete my CPL in aus and I would like to get stuck into building my hours in any vfr pilot job. I’m currently studying IREX. I’m willing to move any where an very determined.
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ATPL A Course Au
Hey Guys,
I would like to ask you about the cost of doing ATPL A at Australia, I currently have PPL A English licence + VFR night . I read in Australia, you have another law, in Europe we can start a course ATPL theory with a PPL license which takes 650 hours and consists of 14 subject. Could you explain me the rules in Australia and the costs that will be on the way to ATPL A ? I read in Australia is 7 Subject to pass to get ATPL A but first i need to Pass CPL ? question about jobs opportunity in Australia. they accept pilot to companies immediately after the course or the rules are like in the United States where ATPL and a line pilot can be at 1500h? and first we doing CPL A + FI , and we learning people to get that 1500h and after that we can apply for ATPL a exam and pass theory ? Kind regards |
Which aviation school would you choose?
Hey,
What would be the best aviation school in New Zealand? My goal is to become an Air New Zealand pilot one day, which school would give me the best start? Ive done the adapt test and i understand that i would have to do another test before getting offered a placement into the schools. What test would this be? Any tips? Thank you <3 |
flight school recommendation
Hi everyone
I am a flying beginner who locate in Brisbane at the moment. Is there anyone recommend good flying school around Queensland? Also where could I get Class 1 medical check with the best price? Thanks |
How is an ATPL exam presented?
Hello, i am an aspiring airline pilot currently in school. So I was curious about how an ATPL theory exam is presented? My two ideas were that it may be about applying formulas (kind of like an engineering exam) or more about general knowledge so multiple choice questions without many mathematical questions just knowing air law, knowing every part of the aircraft? Thankyou so much for your time.
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Applying for AviationI
Hello,
I am applying for some aviation schools in new zealand and was wondering if anyone could give me tips or hints to stand out amongst the many candidates. Could you recommend some good goals to put in my application for during my time as a student, i have many academic and personal goals such as Achieving well above requirements to pass PPL CPL and taking my parents out on a scenic flight. But are there other goals i should also mention? I have scored well in my ADAPT test and would be recuired to do another test during the selection process, how should i prepare for this test? My first choice is to study at the international aviation academy as i would like to learn at an international airport, what would be the likely hood of getting accepted? Thank you so much for reading/recommending <3 |
Originally Posted by Alessandroblack
(Post 10526326)
Hello, i am an aspiring airline pilot currently in school. So I was curious about how an ATPL theory exam is presented?
If you are aspiring towards ATPL, you will already have studied and passed your CPL exams. The exam format is very similar - you will have no trouble passing all of this if you study the theory, ask questions of qualified persons when unsure, and practice some exams (studying further when you identify your own knowledge deficiencies!). |
How hard is it to get into an aviation school
Hello how difficult is it to get into aviation school in New Zealand? I did not particularly well in school and my grades were not good. However i have completed a bachelors degree in business but wanted to change careers. I had always wanted to go into aviation but went a different path as i made more money owning my own business, but now i realised i would rather have a career (flying) im passionate in instead of making it about the money. What is the possibility i would get into the NAC or IAANZ or Southern wings |
Originally Posted by T11995
(Post 10531157)
What is the possibility i would get into the NAC or IAANZ or Southern wings
IAANZ seem to have made it a bit more difficult to find: https://flighttraining.co.nz/the-aca...estic-students (click the "course information" link and have a look at the PDF) NAC has theirs here: https://www.nelson-aviation.co.nz/ab...ements-nz.html All three appear to be almost identical. In any case, if I were in your situation I would call the respective institutions and see if you can have a chat with someone (maybe the CFI?)... or if you live near any of them, pop in and say hi. I spent some time on the phone back in the day when I was in somewhat of a similar position (except I already had a PPL and a few extra hours and was trying to figure out how to get to CPL+MEIR etc)... in general I found most of the places I called were happy to discuss my situation and goals and whether or not their particular course was a good fit for both. |
How can a foreigner join OZ/NZ airline cadet or affordable school
I am a US citizen with finance degree been seriously looking into cadet programs/flight schools. I prefer to tie myself with Australian airlines or NZ long term than US airlines. I know i have to be OZ citizen but anyone know of a flight program that accepts foreigners and might guarantee a pilot job in OZ or NZ?
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Originally Posted by Kundry
(Post 10506669)
Hey guys,
Will soon be a 200 hour CPL looking for work up north. I'm planning to pack the car and visit a couple of specific operators that are in northern WA and remote NT i.e. away from Darwin. I was wondering if a bare CPL will reflect poorly upon me? i.e. I haven't taken the time to upskill to a FIR, ME or IR, no IREX done, no ATPLs done. I have a senior first aid cert and looking to get my DG Awareness done. Realistically not expecting any IFR/NVFR flying in the first year or so however even for the 172 scenics I'll be competing with other fresh CPLs from uni courses/diplomas who have their ME IR. Am I overthinking this or should I just pack the car and go knocking? The industry is moving quickly that you want to be the guy who is ready for the twin not the guy who says (give me 4 weeks to do my MECIR). Credit to you if you are willing to pack up your car and go north, not a lot of people do it now days, a lot of people simply fly in, drop a resume then fly out ( and it works... ). We’ve all been through that first job conundrum, and it sucks but stick through it, you’ll make a lot of good stories out of it in the future. |
Paperless
Will be starting my cpl and then atpl exams soon (Australia).
Best order to do exams? Jepps or AIPS? Let me know your thoughts. As we transition into paperless will casa bring this into their exams, as in, we would no longer require to use these documents and maybe go off something digital? |
Jetstar/Virgin Cadet ship 2020 intake
Hey guys
I'm currently an investment banker, looking to a career change and to follow my childhood dream of becoming a pilot. Does anyone know if Jetstar or Virgin is doing an intake for 2020 pilot cadetship? |
Ask them. Or am I not picking up what your putting down?! |
Check website links but think carefully before applying.
If they are recruiting there should be a link allowing you to apply on the website. Like Qantas mainline recruitment, the link disappears when they aren’t recruiting so you have to check occasionally. No need to check everyday, as recruitment for these sorts of jobs stays open for a while. If you follow this forum you will also see it mentioned in the threads about the respective airline. I understand the flying dream etc, but you have a good career with massive earning potential particularly if you are willing to do the hard yards in London/New York (get minted). Flying has some serious downsides from a health point of view. These include cosmic radiation, constant inhalation of petrochemical fumes, long periods of sitting, circadian flips including highly irregular wake times, the list goes on and on. I just don’t think in your shoes, the return is there when you are already in a good career. I personally enjoy my job but wouldn’t recommend it to my children and looking back if I had my time over would have probably gone for something different. My best mate is an investment banker and while his job also has some significant downsides the rewards have been there for the effort. Wishing you the best in your endeavours. |
The Virgin cadetship last time round had 4000 people apply. 12 got in. From memory the majority were female, they use these courses to increase the low quota of female pilots. Jetstar has a similar quota of applicants and entry. The cadets all seem very young also late teens, early 20s. If if you want to go down the GA to Regional to Airline Route the first few years you will be earning 40k a year, then a few more years of 50k, then as we approach the 10 year mark you might be at a regional on 70k. And that’s after a couple of years slogging away getting a self funded CPL which you are negative a hundred grand before the first job. Then comes the issue of funding the first job. Option 2 is easier if single and flexible. The only way to really do it these days is a decade of 6 figure earning in another industry to set your life up then go into it. Otherwise financially miserable. |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10538601)
The Virgin cadetship last time round had 4000 people apply. 12 got in. From memory the majority were female, they use these courses to increase the low quota of female pilots. Jetstar has a similar quota of applicants and entry. The cadets all seem very young also late teens, early 20s. If if you want to go down the GA to Regional to Airline Route the first few years you will be earning 40k a year, then a few more years of 50k, then as we approach the 10 year mark you might be at a regional on 70k. And that’s after a couple of years slogging away getting a self funded CPL which you are negative a hundred grand before the first job. Then comes the issue of funding the first job. Option 2 is easier if single and flexible. The only way to really do it these days is a decade of 6 figure earning in another industry to set your life up then go into it. Otherwise financially miserable. Wheels, that whole attitude and focus on $$$ is what makes people miserable in the first place - no matter what their profession. Yeah you can earn way more in jobs such as investment banking, but having a $3m dollar mortgage and nice view does not correlate to happiness. The earlier poster, if you really are doing it for the right reasons, then who cares about a cadetship. That will probably lead you straight back to where you were as a banker. Do it for the adventure and do it because you're passionate about it. Don't do it because you think you'll be flying a big jet in a fancy looking uniform. |
flyhigherflybetter, tried PM’ing you back but your mail is full! |
Pilot career evenings in Auckland and Christchurch
Something for the guys and girls in NZ who are interested and would like to be able to speak to people in person and ask questions etc...
Auckland, Tuesday August 27th... note that there are TWO sessions: Session 1: https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/e/air-n...ts-67660477309 Session 2: https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/e/air-n...9305?aff=ebapi There is also a Christchurch event on Thursday September 5th listed here: https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/e/air-n...7417?aff=ebapi |
Thank you sir, was going but couldn't find the website from which I could 'purchase' the tickets from. Real lifesaver. By the way, do you happen to be an Air New Zealand pilot?
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Good and reliable flying clubs in Brisbane
Hi gentleman,
Any good flying clubs in Brisbane for doing CPL training with Multi Engine and Instrument Rating? I will need to do CSU/RU endorsement as well. Currently I have a CASA PPL with 160 Hours - Pilot In Command + P2 hours. Cheers |
Flight Schools Moorabin - Diploma of Aviation
Hi all,
Just seeking some advice about some reputable flight schools in Moorabin which offer VET-FEE Help to complete a diploma of Aviation. I've tried a TIF and will be booking in another one shortly, but just wanted to gain some insight on schools if were to pursue it. If anyone is also able to provide clarification around the general pathway for jobs upon completion of the diploma. Do the flight schools assist with the transition/provide networking or is it generally just do your own thing upon completion? Thanks in advance. |
Uni vs Flight School?
G'day!
In a few months I will be finishing Year 12 and I am wondering what I should do next, whether I should go to University or a flight school. In University of New South Wales, a Bachelor of Aviation (Flying) degree costs 133k AUD. For 2019 commencement students, it is $133,500 for the basic course, which results in a Commercial Pilot Licence and Instrument Rating – Multi Engine Aeroplane. So, what's up with that? Is there any reason to pay an additional 48-58 thousand dollars? I understand that the University provides a degree, but just how useful is it? P.S. I'm pretty sure I'm not the first person who asked this question, but I wasn't able to find any concrete information. |
ADAPT test
Hi just wondering if i start the Jetstar cadetship i will need to go through the CAE ADAPT test. Just wondering what it tests you on and how i can practice? thanks
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cost comparison
Check out the fine print to see what you get.
I am fairly sure that you get CPL, all ATPL theory, instrument rating, with all theory exams and flight tests included at UNSW. You also get all your theory manuals, and an initial set of CASA documents. In other words all costs unless you overfly or fail tests or exams. I am not sure about Multi Crew training. Best to ask them. Also they have a top cohort of full time theory and flight instructors. The UNSW reputation is very high, and the aircraft and simulators in great shape. There is an Open Day at UNSW flight Ops Bankstown Airport on 21 Sept 1000 to 1200. The cheap prices usually do not cover anything other than a very limited amount of flying, and are done with casual flying instructors who only earn a set amount per flight. If you need to spend more time discussing issues with them they don't get paid. Also there can be a huge difference in approach from different instructors as they are often not standardised across the School. You will find there are always extra costs, such as theory classes, exams and tests, landing fees, reference materials and charts, CASR, AIP etc. Do your research. What appears to be cheap may not be either cheap or good quality! Seabreeze |
megab22.
Your last post not long ago indicated: "I am currently in year 9 finishing year 10." Fine to dream and plan but I think you should focused on Years 11 and 12 if you hope for an airline flying career? |
Originally Posted by Persona
(Post 10559230)
In University of New South Wales, a Bachelor of Aviation (Flying) degree costs 133k AUD. Whereas, some flight schools offer the same course for 75-85k.
So, what's up with that? Is there any reason to pay an additional 48-58 thousand dollars? I understand that the University provides a degree, but just how useful is it? QantasLink-UNSW Partnership It in a way is sort of like a pseudo Cadetship. Of course a real Cadetship would be the preferred option. Like UNSW it would be at a greater cost, although not too dissimilar, you have to add the cost of an instrument rating and ATPL theory lessons to the apparently cheaper cost of a normal flying school. The real advantage is you are fairly well placed to start employment directly into an airline, and be able to take advantage of higher relative seniority quicker. Eventually over the course of a career it’ll pay itself back in droves. |
Air Fraser Jobs
Hi all,
Wondering if anyone could share any information about Air Fraser's hiring of pilots. Their fleet looks welcoming to green fingers (they even have a 172) but with the culture of being "GA READY" I'm wondering what the habits of the CP/Hiring Manager are. Do they want 206 time? Will they take 200 hour pilots? What's the chief pilot/Gerry like? Will they take an email with a resume? Thanks |
Originally Posted by Kundry
(Post 10565255)
Wondering if anyone could share any information about Air Fraser's hiring of pilot
Thats what I would respect as a business owner... |
MECIR locations for Mel and Adelaide
I have a PPL license and have recently passed my IREX exam. I wanted to travel to Melbourne or Adelaide and complete a MECIR and multi engine rating. I will be paying as I go. Would anyone be able to offer recommendations on places that offer a comprehensive IFR courses.
I have heard that FTA in Adelaide offer a very comprehensive course but I wasn't sure if doing it in a DA42 will be a disadvantage for flying twins after and going back to steam gauges. |
I did my MECIR with FTA in Adelaide, can't recommend then highly enough, they are more airline focused with extensive focus on the SOP's and procedures. If you want to fly steam gauges in GA then look no further than Peter Bini flying school at YMMB. Probably the best MECIR provider at YMMB. At the end of the day it just depends on what you want, so why not chat to both and see what suits best for you!
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As I have no experience with real IFR to go from full glass back to steam does it face a disadvantage? Because I feel it would be similar cost to do it in a DA42 as apossed to a steam twin which are very common. But it would be easier to learn glass now and cheaper as not many full glass cockpits are around. Then when i need to do my review just do it in a steam gauge. But I'm worried about jumping in a barron after a DA42 and feeling overwhelmed or undertrained. Any suggestions or real life experience about these problems would be awesome?
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Hi, I was wondering what kinds of questions are usually asked in the bachelor of aviation interview?
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