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Kharon 23rd Feb 2012 11:50

CASA v Fearless Phelan.
 
(Buy a ticket now).

For many years Paul has earned his rightly deserved reputation as “Fearless”. Many erudite, articulate offerings, carefully researched and nicely written articles etc. trying to gently prod a recalcitrant, feckless, lazy regulator into some sort of interaction with its Minister and the traveling public it is paid to serve. All ignored.

For many years the Australian Coronial Inquiry system has well and faithfully served its public paymasters providing valuable advice, legal interpretation and considered opinion then watched, helpless as the many hundreds of recommendations made have been either pooh pooed, diluted or just plain ignored.

The ATSB, NTSB, FAA, ICAO, the humble, long suffering Chief Pilots and even the odd owner/operator has quietly offered recommendation, assistance and guidance in the matters P. Pheelan writes about with clarity. All ignored.

Countless millions spent on Royal Commission, Senate investigation, Inquiry etc. etc. all with recommendations. All ignored.

It’s about time CASA began to listen to somebody, anybody (CASA PNG perhaps); and got its house in order. Clearly a big cigar, hula shirt and an fcuck you attitude is not what the Australian tax payer, the traveling public the Senate or the industry, this body is supposed to serve, wants or warrants.

Experts! – Lord spare me; my Mama has forgotten more about running aircraft than this bunch ever knew to begin with.
Knock, knock; Hello ??? anybody out there ??.

Phelan 1.

Phelan 2.

Phelan 3.

multime 23rd Feb 2012 12:03

Very Impressive well researched from Pheelan. A leader in the industry.

Jabawocky 23rd Feb 2012 20:40

He has nothing to lose ;) and nothing to gain either. A legend in the making?

CASA should stop listen and reflect on why he is after them. Remember an enemy with nothing to lose is hard to do battle with.:D

T28D 23rd Feb 2012 21:31

Australia has always been proud of its free press, Paul is a great example of how the free press can deal with injustice in the dealings of bureacrats.

VH-XXX 23rd Feb 2012 21:52


Remember an enemy with nothing to lose is hard to do battle with
Which is exactly why CASA are so fun to deal with; it's not their money they are spending, it's ours!

thorn bird 23rd Feb 2012 22:39

All sing together "They cant take that away from me"
 
"Thanks but no thanks Mr McCormick".
McCormick's letter repeated in the article perhaps illustrates why he's

"Not a Fit and Proper Person" to hold the office he has.
John's reply perhaps illustrates that no matter what CASA scumbags do
they can never take away your integrity or dignity.

halfmanhalfbiscuit 24th Feb 2012 04:54

Paul Phelan 1 quote

"We’ll try to avoid the familiar and odious tactic of sending this material by fax at 5:10 on Friday afternoon."
I'm guessing legal are standing by that fax machine right now. I received one in the past at exactly that time too! Their tactics are being brought out into the open.

Is Flying Fiend standing by that fax machine?

Frank Arouet 24th Feb 2012 05:01

FF has a new "moniker". Check the other threads.:cool:

redned 24th Feb 2012 06:03

Not Fearless Phelan the Phantom Featherer.Thats what knickname he had way back in the early 70s.A good pilot,but a better journo.:D

Sarcs 24th Feb 2012 06:25


FF has a new "moniker". Check the other threads.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/cool.gif
Yeah we suspect his initials are really AA (and no not Minister Fumblenese) but the other bloke from Fort Fumble!:oh:

Arnold E 24th Feb 2012 07:21


Paul is a great example of how the free press can deal with injustice in the dealings of bureacrats.
Errr and accomplished what with the regulator ??:confused::confused:

T28D 24th Feb 2012 07:38

Arnold E He has achieved one hell of a lot more than I wager you have, keep knocking sooner or later you will actually achieve something.

Arnold E 24th Feb 2012 09:09


Arnold E He has achieved one hell of a lot more than I wager you have, keep knocking sooner or later you will actually achieve something.
I'm not knocking anybody, I am asking a question. Many, many people on this forum say that CASA has not been changed in any way, much less a positive direction.
I have not claimed,(or have had claimed on my behalf,) anything.:=

Frank Arouet 24th Feb 2012 21:29


Errr and accomplished what with the regulator ??
A few examples;

The Phelan Papers included cases that helped change the regulatory framework. Things such as Part 47 registrations to make a definitive statement about who is responsible for aircraft maintenance. this took the duty of care owed by the LAME away from the bloke paying for a dodgy MR and put it straight onto the owner/ operator to make sure a MR reflected the product being sold or hired. Those cases also prompted a re-write of schedule 4 which had deficiencies that were exploited in the past. In concert with pilots with medical problems he used his vast glossary to bring case history to light where it could be used for a successful outcome. Diabetes is one that springs to mind.

There a many others to recount, but his best achievement is, and continues to be, to record every CASA abuse so others may not have to find out the hard way who they are dealing with.

kimwestt 24th Feb 2012 23:38

THANKS BUT NO THANKS
 
In support of Kharon and et al, thanks but no thanks is the reply I've given to a prospective employer who needs a CP. The reason for this is the well documented and eloquently described conduct, behaviour, and utter bastardry of many well known FOI's. Not to mention the total lack of respect and common courtesy displayed towards the GA industry. Oh, I'm sorry, GA doesn't have a legal CASA definition or existence.
Would have loved to do the job, the operator is one of the industry's smaller stalwarts, and CASA and the AAT have failed on several occasions to successfully persue that operator.
Cheers
"Keep the shiny side up"
:mad:

Arnold E 24th Feb 2012 23:43

Frank Arouet
 
Thanks Frank for actually answering the question I asked.:ok:

T28D 24th Feb 2012 23:55

Yup, one of the most aggresive and ill mannered questions I have witnessed

Errr and accomplished what with the regulator ??http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/confused.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/confused.gif

LeadSled 26th Feb 2012 13:39

Filling in the information gaps

Folks,
The above is Fearless Phelan's latest, today.
Tootle pip

Ultralights 26th Feb 2012 19:57

So next time the ATIS is reporting crosswinds of 15Kts +, im off for a ILS into YSSY! in my Tecnam! :E

Kharon 26th Feb 2012 22:55

Cui Bono
 

T28D - Yup, one of the most aggressive and ill mannered questions I have witnessed.
Rude and aggressive I can live with, but pointless, purblind ignorance and terminal arrogance, that's an altogether different animal. The adage 'engage brain before opening gob' comes to mind.


Arnold, E - Errr and accomplished what with the regulator ??.
For the information of those who choose to deny that there are significant problems being covered over by legal hyperbole, manufactured spin and plain old pony pooh a small study of P. Phelan article "Dudding the delegate" may prove educational.

That one piece, examined by a CASA executive who actually knew a bit about the game led to the demise of 3 bad boys and saw one promoted to a level of incompetency under the current regimes philosophy of turning loose incompetents, bullies and liars. Why?, because "if they have aggravated the industry, they must be doing their jobs correctly".

The subsequent loss of Mike Hart and Greg Vaughan was the price paid by the industry for allowing justice in one case to prevail. It is important to compare this outcome with that of subsequent outrages since their departure.


Arnold E should be aware that when there is a conflict journalists are there to report accurately on wars, not to fight them.


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