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pilotchute 18th May 2018 03:47

Stop saying poached. It gives the impression that something illegal has happened. Leaving an employer for a better offer isn't against the law.

Global Aviator 15th Jun 2018 17:36

That’s a rather ominous looking post... Are they owned aircraft?

Looking at a fleet like that reminds you how Aussie GA has not moved forward in 20 years!

Flyboy1987 15th Jun 2018 19:19


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 10173783)
That’s a rather ominous looking post... Are they owned aircraft?

Looking at a fleet like that reminds you how Aussie GA has not moved forward in 20 years!

Try 30-40 years.

dragon man 15th Jun 2018 23:54


Originally Posted by muddergoose (Post 10173490)

This is misleading to say the least, there is no year on the auction date and further examination reveals this was from two years ago when the previous operator of these aircraft went into administration and Air Frontier purchased the aircraft. If you don’t believe me check out Pickles there is no auction. The post should be removed.

Ixixly 16th Jun 2018 00:19

Was this the Auction before they headed to Air Frontier?

Bend alot 16th Jun 2018 01:23


Originally Posted by Ixixly (Post 10173997)
Was this the Auction before they headed to Air Frontier?

Don't know but 2 July 2018 is a Monday not a Tuesday!

Seems a foolish post.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-lji

muddergoose 16th Jun 2018 04:48


My bad, sorry guys!e post removed as requested.

Archie Bargy 21st Jun 2018 01:29


Originally Posted by Corvallis (Post 10148401)
just heard a rumour that the newly hired CP has accepted a better offer from the airlines and will be leaving soon.

Anything to substantiate the rumour?

Buswinker 21st Jun 2018 13:01


Originally Posted by Archie Bargy (Post 10177861)
Anything to substantiate the rumour?

i have heard this rumour also

i suppose being recruited by an airline is more satisfactory than a CP staying a week and then resigning ostensibly because of how “G” treats his staff, “G” then attempting to explain this away as sacking said CP as incompetent.

But that’s none of my business

The Wawa Zone 24th Jun 2018 08:55

Funny I used to work for Eire Fronteaur 14 years ago and exactly the same rumours about rumours were on Pprune then and probably word for word. For some reason the little fella just keeps on rockin' ? Why ?
He's ticked the boxes for success in GA, ie., he's an engineer who owns his own aircraft and gets revenue from single engine remote bases that don't cost anything. A lot of others have fallen by the wayside, and I think by now he's figured out how to do it properly-like. His pet hate is pilots who whine about having to get stuff done by themselves while all he ever does is put up the money, the aircraft and the AOC and other trivial crap like that.
Say what you like about him - no one's perfect and some people are just out there - but he's there for as long as he wants.

dragon man 28th Jun 2018 01:23


Originally Posted by The Shovel (Post 10182925)
Do me a favour!
He hates pilots he has to pay a wage to. Even the ones who don't whine and jusy get things done. And there were plenty of them who passed through the Tee-Pee Hut over the last 20 years.

As for, "putting up the money for an AOC, aircraft and other trivial crap like that", do we include fuel in trivial crap?? It's called running a business you half wit. A companies workforce retention, (not detention), is a direct reflection of the company and how it is run. He survives because he is a bottom feeder. There is successful one in every industry. You even contradict your argument by stating, "gets revenue from single engine remote bases that don't cost anything.".

I tell you what if it’s so simple why don’t you try it. Every one is an arm chair expert, put the money up, deal with CASA, get an AOC, employ staff, he deserves a medal not the crap that’s put up here.

longrass 28th Jun 2018 03:13


Originally Posted by dragon man (Post 10183273)


I tell you what if it’s so simple why don’t you try it. Every one is an arm chair expert, put the money up, deal with CASA, get an AOC, employ staff, he deserves a medal not the crap that’s put up here.

Well said and very correct, GH has stuck to his guns and despite what everyone on pprune thinks, he is a self made multi millionaire and a GA success story.

mikewil 28th Jun 2018 05:31


Originally Posted by longrass (Post 10183302)
he is a self made multi millionaire and a GA success story.

The point is you don't have to be an honest businessperson to be a "multi-millionaire and GA success story".

The reason many con-artists end up being "successful" and "millionaires" is because they undercut the honest competition who actually do the right thing and pay an honest wage.

Bend alot 28th Jun 2018 12:16


Originally Posted by The Shovel (Post 10183531)
If he is so rich, he can pay me the wages he still owes me. Instead of crying poor and whinging that I will sink his company if I force him to pay me.

I never said it was easy, I said it is the cost of doing business.

So everyone on here makes up crap just to dump on poor little Jeff, and none of it has any substance? Your a half wit too. I worked for him, I didn't whinge. I kept mouth shut and did the job. He made his money because of the pilots that slaved for him. The "crap" that is on here, some of it is being polite.

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I doubt he is cash rich, no GA company is.

He will have some net worth = to the risk and effort put in buying from the guy that went broke (forget his name) but set up the tee pee.

If you slaved for him then you are part of the problem but can also go to Fair Work and make your claim.

Did you?

Duck Pilot 28th Jun 2018 12:52

Simple fact is that the company is an entry level GA company, get the experience and move on. Sadly there has been some accidents, however I am of the opinion that most of the accidents have not been directly attributed to the fault of the operator - our flight training standards in Australia have dropped considerably.

Good training, good attitude and a genuine willing to learn particularly the operation pilots are flying up here in the North will give then the knowledge and skill sets to make the correct decisions and advance their careers.

Give the company and the owner some respect as the remote communities certainly need long term dedicated operators such as Air Frontier, hence the other operators cannot absorb all the work.

Horatio Leafblower 28th Jun 2018 14:47


Simple fact is that the company is an entry level GA company, get the experience and move on.
That's a really **** attitude in Australia in the 21st century. There are entry level operators out there living by the skin of their teeth because they do it right.
Meanwhile, other "Millionaire" GA operators feed their families off the exploitation of passionate young pilots, for as long as the passion lasts.

Surely.... surely we are better than this? Than excusing ONE operator for circumventing the rules that the rest of us observe?

Eddie Dean 28th Jun 2018 19:56


Originally Posted by Horatio Leafblower (Post 10183690)
That's a really **** attitude in Australia in the 21st century. There are entry level operators out there living by the skin of their teeth because they do it right.
Meanwhile, other "Millionaire" GA operators feed their families off the exploitation of passionate young pilots, for as long as the passion lasts.

Surely.... surely we are better than this? Than excusing ONE operator for circumventing the rules that the rest of us observe?

I have had the misfortune of contracting to operators that refuse to pay. Currently taking debt recovery action against yet another lying operator, they seem to believe that they don't have to pay probably because they have got away with it for years.

Duck Pilot 29th Jun 2018 01:32

I agree that its a **** attitude and I certainly don’t agree with it, however sadly that’s reality. Happy to be corrected, however the fact is that it’s pretty rare to find an older experienced pilot who has been with a GA operator anywhere in Australia for a long period of time, say 5 plus years.

Exceptions would probably only be some of the aeromedical operators.

Bigger aeroplanes and more dollars will always win sadly.

Corvallis 29th Jun 2018 07:48

JH
 
Maybe his son Richard hunt should run the company. He is only 18 but he is total opposite of his dad. He is quite nice and friendly. But I doubt GH will want his son to be fair to his own son. He probably treats his family like puppets.

Duck Pilot 29th Jun 2018 10:42

The Shovel,
My post certainly wasn’t intended to be a lecture, just my humble opinion. Am I a fool? Yes probably but who cares, I certainly don’t.
I wish you all the best in whatever you are doing now and in the future.

Enough said on this subject from me.

Be safe.


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