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Old 12th Feb 2012, 21:19
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I was hoping someone out there who has worked for this operator or has some inside information be able to shed some light on where their bases are and what operations they are running?

I've had a look on their website but only lists Darwin.

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Old 12th Feb 2012, 23:40
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Are you sure you were on the right website?
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Old 13th Feb 2012, 00:35
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Kinda obvious, but first off it is "Air Frontier" and from what I recall they operate out of Darwin, Gove and Borroloola (Don't quote me on the Borroloser one).

In regards to working for them, expect to be taking for a ride to start, known a few people very recently who were working for free around their office, cleaning aircraft etc... they got a little time with them, mostly ICUS, but one in the end was told "Oops sorry, turns out we don't need you now, but thanks for the free labour!!" and another one it dragged on so long (3 months if I remember correctly) they he got fed up and left.

Unless things have changed in the last month or two, good place to get some hours if you can actually get a job, but expect to be stuffed around.
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Old 13th Feb 2012, 21:37
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A mate got screwed over there last year, with the boss hitting him up for 6 months accomodation costs in Gove, after agreeing it was included. The operation, as I know of, is a utter joke! Don't waste your time... even on the website. Hold short
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Old 14th Feb 2012, 23:34
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ok, I'll bite.

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You wouldn't happen to be an old operations manager of AF who has just started working for another company on the airport in a similar role? Just remember; your new employers/workmates could be reading this site and it doesn't take much to join the dots.

Air Frontier

If you're a new guy looking for a start in the industry with plenty of hours to go in the logbook, then here is your place. I can't think of too many places that will let guys have a crack at the twins with 500-600 hours TT under their belt with only 3-6 months time out remote. There is a good bunch of guys working for the company at the moment, who all put in the hard yards. Be prepared to put in an effort; those that have are rewarded. All the guys who have recently left have all progressed to turboprops/jets.

Better still, they are willing to give 200 hour guys a run. Get some 210 time under your belt before you head North.
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Old 15th Feb 2012, 02:06
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Great to see both sides of the coin.

Some of the other companies getting slagged off here don't get around to speaking up.
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If you're a new guy looking for a start in the industry with plenty of hours to go in the logbook, then here is your place. I can't think of too many places that will let guys have a crack at the twins with 500-600 hours TT under their belt with only 3-6 months time out remote. There is a good bunch of guys working for the company at the moment, who all put in the hard yards. Be prepared to put in an effort; those that have are rewarded. All the guys who have recently left have all progressed to turboprops/jets.
And that's a good reason to treat people like shit is it?

And who would you be wawa?

If I had really deep pockets I could post some of the goings on there..................

You've been warned biggles, but I doubt that'll stop you or anybody else going there!
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I can't think of too many places that will let guys have a crack at the twins with 500-600 hours TT under their belt with only 3-6 months time out remote.
Maybe there's a reason for that?

That being said this is not a comment for or against AF.
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Old 15th Feb 2012, 05:26
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Not a post for or against them...

Just know many a pilot who offered services for no such reward, and only to be bitten. The carrot is held in front for as long as possible there... They will milk you. Mind you reasonable equipment ad opportunities there as is most places in Darwin if your in the right place right time...

I wonder if they are still using full length before turning around in the chieftain and baron, gotta save those brakes... geez that used to piss me off... As soon as I heard them in the circuit, it was min speed because I knew it was a 30 min wait till they would clear the freakin runway...
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And while there are pilots willing to slut themselves out (note lack of the word prostitute - at least they get paid for getting screwed) there will always be operators happy to do the screwing, using a plentiful supply of screwees as an excuse to continue the practise.

"There's always someone else who'll do it if you don't want to."

You paid $40K to get your CPL.
Have some self-respect. Get paid!
And I do speak from experience.

Kinda like skydiving operators who don't pay pilots.....
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Old 15th Feb 2012, 06:52
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gotta save those brakes..
Ha Ha, forgot about that. Worked for GH many years ago and my "induction" was a two hour lecture in front of a Bonanza listing all the things that he would sack me for!

Interesting to note that almost all the other GA operators from my time are gone yet AF still lives.

(please note this is neither pro nor con AF)
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Old 15th Feb 2012, 08:14
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Would a new CP changes people's opinions?
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Old 15th Feb 2012, 08:16
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Owner and cp biggles

Interesting to note that almost all the other GA operators from my time are gone yet AF still lives.
Still doesn't say much...

Some bought out, others just shut shop. Couple closed down... Doesn't mean the best remain!
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Has anything changed. after all these years?
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Old 23rd Aug 2015, 21:22
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Yes... but whether it's for the better or worse is a matter of opinion
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Apparently all hires now go through some a380 captain who 'helps run' the company from the east coast. I think he wanted people paying foe 'interview check rides'
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oh thats good.
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No BS, I'm afraid...

Said QF Captain has popped up in many places before with "arrangements" like this. The common theme is that he seems to leave a trail of destruction in his quest to assuage an ego that's bigger than he is! I've learnt this first hand, to my cost.

One of the lads he recently did an "interview ride" on told me that he was advised by said QF Captain to go to Brisbane and get some 200 series training... then come back in six months time and try again. Silly lad actually did that, to no avail...

I hope he doesn't cause grief to AF, the current CP could do such rides himself or if not, identify a pilot internally who has some instructing history to look at the prospectives.
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 19:45
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Flying Bear, please tell me this isn't PB who ran FTA into the ground in Brisbane?
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 03:07
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Ixixly, that'd be him!

FB, the current CP does have instructional experience. Top bloke.
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