oh aerozepplin.... you're too much! you and those metaphor jokes. tell me another, except this time do one of your simile routines, they're better.

Don't give me the credit, the work was all yours.

Personally if I were thinking of joining the cadetship I'd be thrilled by this thread. If I was going to commit to something that large I'd want to hear all the view points. If I could read the negative views yet still feel it was the right thing to do, then my actions would be based on more balanced decision making than just reading the "It'll be a six year orgasm!" that the advertising would most likely be. If you join, and it turns out to be fantastic, then you can have a good chuckle to yourself at the bitter and twisted gnomes still snuffling around in their light twins.

one of your poorer simile jokes :hmm:

Got me. It was all a joke. There's nothing worth reading here, and no one knows what they're talking about in any way. The tens of thousands of flight hours, years of experience, and collective wisdom of those who've given opinions is all fake. Damn.

Remember that time your parents told you not to play in traffic because it's dangerous? They were lying because they were just bitter that they couldn't enjoy it anymore due to knee trouble.

Let me start out by saying I don't have a problem with Cadetships and there will always be an argument for who is better Mil/GA/Cadet etc depending on who you talk to and what route they took.

After reading most of the posts in this thread there seams to be alot of pepole with a great deal varied experience trying to pass on their hard earned experience and an equal amount of people with stars in their eyes.

To all you people that are going through the process of applying or about to apply good luck and I hope it all works out BUT here is the BUT Please take on board what others have to say and weigh up all oppinions and do your homework befor signing on the dotted line. Six years is a long time and alot can happen in that time lets have a look at a senario that is quite common.

You got in and now in the drivers seat of a A320 you have the uniform and the chicks are lined up at the door. Now looks like the take home pay will be say $800 a week, sweet beats working a Mc D's and still living with mum and dad in Sydney.

So now got the job and the cash lets go get that new Holden you always wanted for say $30g loan thats $150 a week laves you with $650 no worries can handle that.

Work sends you a memmo a few weeks later telling you that you will be getting rebased to Perth oh no got to move out of home accros the country and rent a flat $150 -$200 a week no problem can handle that $450 a week left.

12 months later your girlfriend tells you she is up the duff and so you move into a house togeather she can't work so take away another $200 a week to upgrade to a house. Ok Starting to get worried now $250 a week to live off and bring up a baby on. I need a better paing job. Oh Sh#t still have 4 years left at jet* for till end of bond.


Sound Like this will never happen to you? Well this is what could happen and does happen, its called life and those with experience are trying to help by giving advice as chances are they have been there and done that. Like I said think very carfully before signing on the dotted line.

One other thought what happens if you lose your Medical with 6 years of bond to pay back?

big_mouse,

These guys are not being twisted and jealous. This is the MOST level-headed and reasonable cadet debate I have seen here. Check out some of the QF threads (which is most certainly a fairer scheme) and there you may get close to what you are accusing these guys of.

Listen to their advice, if you want to go ahead with it, it's your choice but if I was going to apply I'd work out how I was going to live off that numbers that people are quoting.

This stopped me in my tracks. Wasn't going to apply but never thought about that.

I don't know where you got that one from ... more like $400 a week. From a mate in the know ... "they certainly won't be based in Oz".
Loss of licence scheme should cover the costs for cadets stupid enough to sign up to this slavery ... cadets make sure you get it asap.

Was being generous:ok:

Source: PBS Special: Flying Cheap

US Regional = j* Cadet T&C's.

Still think they don't eat their young?

It's not only the loss of the medical certificate, its the potential to not get a job at the end of the training and still have the debt. In case you didn't notice j* load factors are way down, they are parking aircraft & much LCC capacity coming online from Tiger. This is the exact scenario the CTC cadets faced in the UK and are being bankrupted right now because of it.

You've all missed the point. All these things you say may very well be valid. But because of your inability to understand the concept of a forum themed for THOSE APPLYING TO THE CADETSHIP, we have no outlet to discuss it. Instead theres not a single one of you intelligent enough to start a thread entitled 'those against the cadetship'. That way those interested could get two different points of view without having every thread shutdown. You all remind us of how qualified and experienced you are, but in your many years of greatness you seem to have not figured out simple gestures of decency. This thread will soon be shutdown, and again we wont be able to discuss anything without being inundated by the same point reworded but 300 different people. As I've said in the past, get a hobby

I suggest you also check the cost of renting an apartment in Perth.

In case you didn't notice, this is a discussion board, it is moderated & the topic starter doesn't get to "control" the discussion. There is a dedicated wannabe forum, you will find like-minded individuals there without real world experience to assist you.

You seem absolutely determined on a course of action in spite of all the warning signs, your choice. You simply don't want to hear a contrary view. I'm wondering if aviation is for you? Do you know what GRADE stands for?

Other here have expressed that they want to hear the contrary opinion, whilst I may not agree with their decision, I respect their process of logically solving a complex, confusing & difficult problem. These are the people I want to sit behind when I go on holiday.

Oh, and as for the hobby, I've already had my 8.5km bushwalk today.

MM
Title of thread Forum in the WANNABE forum. Thinking bubble of the recruiter for MM "Can I sit next to this self-delusional stain for 8 hours a day?" I guess you'll have to do flying as a hobby.

And Mighty Mouse as j3 said, move your jetstar cadetship thread to the wannabees forum. Every person that opens a jetstar cadetship thread in the GA forum is going to go through this. The people here are GA (both current and ex), and are going to keep giving their opinion on this if it keeps being raised.

I don't think there are too many people that disagree with the premise of a cadetship - if it is done under the right circumstances. You need to understand that Australia (and NZ) are already saturated with highly qualified GA guys who have been working their guts out for years for this opportunity. If the situation was different and the airlines had absorbed all the GA guys who wanted to move on and were still screaming out for more pilots, then sure, get a cadetship going, I don't think there would be much opposition.

Surely you can understand why this upsets people. There has been an unofficial order of progress in Aussie Aviation forever, and the goal posts have just moved. Some people here are trying to give valid info (as the cadetship is truly disgraceful, even if we did need it) and others are simply upset. You are already talking down to these people, the people that will be sitting opposite you when you get on board that jet.

What are you going to say when they ask the inevitable question, "so what's your experience?"

Maybe it hasn't occurred to you but could it be possible that the people on the forum where you have decided to post DON'T HAVE TWO DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW to discuss. Those in this forum can see through the smoke screen of carrots and can only see the negatives and are trying to warn you about them... If you want the other point of view, perhaps go to the J* interview room and talk to those lining up outside with stars in their eyes and fat wallets...

Agree with Bing Gordon, it is the manner in which this cadetship is setup that is really getting up people's nose more than the fact that it is a cadetship. If it wasn't such a money making venture designed to both make money off training pilots and screw down their T&C's at the same time it would probably be a different story... There might actually be a different point of view to discuss...! ;)

At least there may be one good thing to come out of this disgrace of a scam.

Not wanting to put the moxy on it but is it possible we are seeing a glint of unity from pilots, both GA and Airline alike? I don't think I've seen so many reasoned and genuinely helpful replies on any other thread, despite the provocations of some (one) who seem determined to shut this thread down with personal attacks.

Could we hope that finally after some 20 odd years, the bean counters in the industry that is management have taken it a bridge to far? Too much to hope for maybe, but it's a start

says the man from utopia:cool: ahah 777 your the man! mate i think the delusional one is the guy who plays out caricatures in his head (end speech-bubble)

Good one MM, keep playing the man and not the ball, a great way to get the help you seek on this forum...

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