Jetstar Cadetship
 

I know the previous thread was closed, (probably) due to the inevitable slanging match which ensued after the scheme was announced but I was hoping that we could keep this one for those who have applied and are going through the process.

Im interested to find out how many (if any) guys and girls who applied for the advanced cadetship have heard anything?

Assessments are currently being undertaken.

A friend is going down to Moorabbin this weekend for testing.

Be interesting to see what happens..

I applied for the ACP and got a call yesterday morning. I am waiting for an email from OAA with details.

I applied for the ab initio programme about two weeks ago and got the call last Saturday. Was earmarked for 'batch 8' at YMMB for the second round of testing.

My experience is limited to a few hours here and there, but I do have a Class 1 medical and am highly qualified/experienced in another field so maybe that helped. Oh and I have an equivalence cert from NSW for my Year 12 studies (incl maths).

I sent them an email on Wed declining the offer for financial reasons.

Good luck to whoever goes for it.

I applied for ACP aswell, still waiting for a call though

I applied for the ACP and got a call 2 days ago, with just a 1 day interview on the 27th scheduled, however on the website it stated 2 days of testing at OAA to be conducted, has anyone else been told a similar story.

As for the other thread, it was hard to sift through to find the good information for both positive and negatives about the program. I have been in GA for roughly 2 years, and i certainly dont have the experience or knowledge of some. But i would like to hear more opinions of the program, both for and against, deciding what path you take for the next 6 years is certainly not an easy one, and im sure like many like-minded pilots out there, they want to make sure their decision is the right one

I've also been told a one day interview. Anyone received the email yet? Im finding it hard to prepare for as I have no idea what style of interview its going to be. Tech or behavioural questions? Any sim checks?

I have applied for the Ab-initio at OAA, and have my first day aptitude testing on the 23rd June. The 17th was apparently the first day of testing, so if any one has already been through the aptitude testing or interviews, any information would be very much appreciated. Cheers.

for my testing scheduled for tomorrow, I would have been told at the end of the day whether I was successful in making the interview on Sunday. Maybe there's quite a few applicants hence they have to sort through the results first...makes sense given there's only apparently 70 slots or something.

The official email from OAA is below:

Thank you for your application for the Jetstar Pilot Cadet Programme, we certainly appreciate your interest.

We are pleased to confirm that you have been successful at passing Stage 1 of the selection process and we would like to invite you to attend Stage 2 as detailed below. The selection will be undertaken at Oxford Aviation Academy (OAA):

Day One
Date
19th June 2010
Start:
11:30 hrs
Location
Oxford Aviation Academy
18-24 Northern Ave, Moorabbin Airport, Melbourne, VICTORIA 3194
Melways:87 F3 (near the Direct Factory Outlet (DFO))

Please ensure that you arrive at least 15 minutes prior to your allocated time for registration.

Car parking is available on site

Dress code
Formal
Assessment Fee
All Fees are Non refundable
Paid on Day 1 during Registration by Cash, EFPOS or Credit Card (we only accept Master and Visa Card – 2% surcharge will apply for credit cards )

Day 1: $300
Day 2: $200 (only if successful in Day 1; payable on Day 2)


On arrival, you will be required to register, pay the assessment fee and will be issued with a security pass. This pass must be worn visibly at all times during your selection process.

Day 1 of selection will involve Aptitude testing (duration 3 hours). Refer to the following link for details on the testing involved: OAA Skills Assessment

If you are successful at Day 1 (informed by COB on Day 1), you will be required to attend the second round of assessment on Day 2 ,which will involve an interview with the Assessment Panel and Team Activity.

Please bring the following documents with you for the selection:
- Photo identification (ID) either your passport or drivers licence
- Proof of qualifications listed on your application (original and a certified copy)
- Documentation to support any claimed flying experience (ie. log book and PPL)
- 2 passport-sized photograph

Please confirm receipt of this email.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions on [number removed] :}.

I look forward to meeting you at OAA and wish you the very best for the selection.

Thanks

Pharoah

I can't believe there is a cost involved just for turning up and getting assesed, not to mention travel costs for those that don't live in melbourne, starting to sound a little bit of a raught already. And i hope they dont turn around at the end of a day 1 scheduled interview and so you are required for the next day, especially for those with flights books in and out of melb..

yes well thats part of the reason I pulled out. All up it would have cost me near $1k if I made it to day two ie. airfares, overnight accom, test fees, lunch/dinner/breakfast, and not to mention YMMB doesn't have much in the way of available public traffic.

And this is BEFORE the $150k! :}

Pharoh:

Your exactly right, to even do the testing is a big enough commitment to turn candidates away so I don't know what they are getting at, I'm still hanging out for any opinions or thoughts on the ACP.

At the end of the day its a money making 'scheme'

Good luck to all that undertake this cadetship and i look forward to your future posts :}

You've been warned:=

Thats exactly what im trying to get at.

So the negatives of the whole process is:

1) No guarantee of positions after the training
2) Bonded for 6 years on a Junior F/O Salary
3) Lack of respect perhaps from other F/O's and Captains that has earnt their place there
4) No say in where you are based etc?
5) Salary sacrificing the already reduced salary to pay off the training costs..

Compared to another few years in GA and earning your spot with a regional carrier on a better salary and more oppurtunity for promotion or command in the future?

I was thinking about this ACP scheme. I even put together an application, but never submitted it.

End of the day (and I'm not judging anyone), I simply took offence at the notion of having to pay an employer 500 bucks just to be interviewed. Should I pass their 'standard', to then owe them AUS$65,000 for the privilege of making them money.

To spend the rest of my time there on a B grade payscale. To not start with 'mainline', but to be farmed out to offshore setups. To possibly never be upgraded to a command.

So they can stick their ACP up their arse and ill try to do it the hard way.

I think I will follow that notion, im lucky enough to have gained employment in the GA industry especially the way its been since the slump..So why give it up for promises in a shiny brochure. The REX scheme is a prime example of how they will take advantage of aspiring airline pilots once again

Am I reading this right?

For the Advanced Cadet Program

Cost is $84,895.

J.Star will sponsor 21k of the ground training and in addition will fund the remaining costs of the ACP which you repay over 6 years whilst being bonded to J.Star.

Is that correct?

Yes, thats correct.

I've recently completed the first two days of testing for the ab initio course. I am now awaiting a call as to whether I get an interview with Jetstar. I don't know if I'll take the position if it is offered to me. Having said that, the more thought I put in to it, the more I am warming to the idea... To be honest I just want to fly, if I have to endure a poor wage for 6 years so be it! In this day and age its important to keep your options open, so I am exhausting all options in my dream of becoming a pilot.

Good luck to all in the Jetstar pipeline!

SR71

So a 85K bond over 6 years on a Junior F/O rate of approx 55-60K

Making it a 30K salary for first 6 years???

Can't be right..

That being said, the pay and conditions are only regarded as a negative when compared to the regulary salaries offered to direct entry F/O's.

It is still an attractive salary compared to that of your first few years in GA, working for peanuts, questionable aircraft and employers. Its the valuable experience i think in GA that will be missed

put it this way Blackbird...if I were you at your age (assuming no wife/kids) then I'd be there in a flash...6 years and coming out the other end with an A320 endo plus a few thousand hours FO time (maybe even ICUS time)....the world could be your oyster. Being single means you could actually survive alright on that salary. A lot of grads start in the high 40s now which is what you'd be getting after FEE HELP and Jet* deductions.

so go for it.

Pharoah

the 85k bond, minus the 21k sponsorship fronted by jetstar. so yeh about 64k over 6 years. Takes you down to 45K Gross/ Year, which is basically good GA salary. And its locked for 6 years! 6 Years working through the ranks in GA you would be finding yourself as a FO anyway, on 80K per year, with out a bond of employment or a loan

Can anyone actually confirm what the actual salary is?

Blackbird14 - fingers crossed for you. I tend to agree with what you're saying.

Oh on a side note I asked the interviewers about the number of places available in the upcoming Ab Initio program. They are making an allowance for approximately 24 cadets for the August intake, and could not be specific as to when the next course would run. However they were quite vague and stressed that this was an estimation, so I don't think that this approximation holds too much weight.

Is there any way to view the old jetstar forum? There was heaps of into on there and I cant seem to find it...

hey blackbird,

I know its probably diff for the ab guys, but was there anything you could actually prepare for?

@ fatalbert1

On the first day the aptitude testing went for approximately 3 hours. It had a 20 minute mathematics section which included some pythag, speed, distance, time, and other mental arithmetic, it's hard to be specific. There was also a 30 minute physics section, covering basic physics knowledge. I suppose brushing up on your mental arithmetic might help. The second day is impossible to prepare for. Having a basic knowledge of Jetstar would be beneficial.

In all honesty, it's very difficult to prepare for!
Good luck mate!

SR71

Regarding the fees, just to clear it up. What is happening to the $154,456 for the ab course, then the $124,456 for the degree and the $30,000 for the endorsement? Fee help only covers $85,062 and the $21,000 from J*.

The site says total a lot yet I don't see an overall total.

If the way I've read it is correct you will owe $202,850 at the end over 6 years. That would mean you walk away with $21,000 each year. I guess you wouldn't worry about tax in that case.

I'm sure I've missed something because there is no one on the planet stupid enough to sign up for the above.

Also has anyone actually been rejected or not received an invite for the first $300 interview? I'll be very interested to see how the percentage of applicants getting to this point... At a guess, 100%?

@ eocvictim

Jetstar have stated that they have received 20 000 online applications. I highly doubt that all of these applicants get through to the next stage. OAA could not physically deal with those numbers. From what I hear, they have had slightly over 200 reach the second stage. Grow up and stop trying to hijack this thread by creating animosity and being cynical. Otherwise this thread will end where the other began...
We are trying to help each other in the application process by passing on information that will aid others in the testing, not by making 'off the cuff' comments.

Blackbird,

Just curious, you say you want to keep your options open, yet if you go with the jetstar thing then essentially you have no options for about 6 years?

Curious as to what other options you have tried?

I'm waiting for a call from PSA in Tamworth to go to flight screening for the RAAF. At this stage that and Jetstar are my 2 options. I am also flying sporadically with Melbourne Flight Training at YMMB, although have not had a constant flow of flying due to lack of funds of late.

Thanks mate. Here's to hoping the ACP stuff is different as I haven't touched that stuff in a many many years.

I would like to retract any previously negative comments about the cadetship. I say good luck to everyone who applies, I think I am just envious. I wish such an opportunity was available 20 yrs ago. I know it is expensive, but no one here is going to sign anything unaware of how much it will cost in the end. And at the end of the day you don't have to stuff around with GA, and you get an airline gig straight off the bat, 6 years is nothing. And more than likely alot of the cadets will have their career with Jetstar.

Good luck to all.

Says the newbie who has no idea about an industry he is helping to destroy... Cynical, let's see you guys all jaded after 4 years in the RHS upset you don't have commands. Do I need to grow up too?

You want a Cadet thread? Start one in the wannabe's section, that's what you are.

j3

Well it's actually quite simple. After reading a number of posts and doing a bit of research of my own I believe I have the answer. There's been mention of "Blackbirds" and "24 cadets" ... presto there's your answer. Sing a song of Six pence which in today's standard is equivalent to 2.4 pounds (4.1 AUD) and a bag full of rye. Well we all know that rye (grain/whisky) tastes like sh1te. Hence $4.1 and a bag full of sh1te.
All the best to the cadets:ok:

OMG.....
 

Post the 89 dispute.... In 1990 an Australian airlines 737 F/O was paid around $100k per annum

20 years later......

2010 Jetstar A320 F/O is paid $88k per annum


I'm too far gone to change careers... but anyone who is seriously considering a career in aviation in this country is an absolute FOOL!!!!

2020.......... Jetstar 787 F/O $66k per annum

Get my drift........... Choose wisely folks

So you lot who actually have some hours under your belt are you having any joy? Some people said they got the knock off the 'privilege list' because they had too many hours?

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

If you've applied to this program and are unsure of the above then this is something you NEED to know. :ugh:

Half of these kids clearly don't know what they're signing up for in the first place!:mad: