"At the end of the 6 years as a junior FO (or whatever it is called) is there any guarantee that Jet* will retain your services as a full FO?"

So, after the 6 years are up and no guarantee of ongoing employment, Jetstar gives the former cadet the flick and recruits another new cadet; is that how it goes?

It would be much cheaper for Jetstar to do that, so why wouldn't they?

And the poor old ex-cadet goes out into the real world with his 6 years of "experience" looking for another job.......what are his chances?

A pay-rise :ok:

From Gaius Baltar,

And so, you want to join Jetstar?

Oh dear me. You have much to learn young Skywalker.

I think a few things need to be taken into context here. The airline environment (and attitudes of people) are a lot different to when a lot of us were climbing the ropes in GA all those years ago.

The attitude these days is people want everything now, and thats fine, and thats what J* is using to their advantage. But what happens if the leisure market continues to dive? Where does it leave these guys? How do you pay off the loan if there isn't a position available for years? Do you have qualifications when you finish that will get you a position with another carrier..or god forbid in GA?:eek: (i dont just mean paper qualifications...i mean experience)

I think the amount of money they are charging for applications and testing is criminal, i thought the Qantas process was expensive!!!

Would be interesting to hear from some J* crew what they think of this, because by the sounds of some of the people on here applying for the cadetship its going to be hours of fun flying next to them :ugh:

Regardless of this, good luck to those applying, we are all pilots here and its great to see someones dream of flying come true if the opportunity presents itself.

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Paying for your own interview and selection process....??

:) all the way to the bank...

Comon guys, this should say it all really...

People do dream of flying but they also dream of buying a house, getting married having kids and eventual financial security.

In the past with a bit of hard work and determination the above was possible.

Can anyone shed light on the assesssment process used by Oxford for the Advanced Cadet Program?

Thanks

Cadet at 19, RH seat at 21, fly for 6 years, pay off the bond, Jet* ditches you because there's other cheap-as cadets to fill your seat, you decide there's better money in building/plumbing/electrician, so at 27 years old you have had your first career - as an airline pilot - then you move on.

I can see this becoming the norm. It is regarded that the gen-y teens today will have 4 or 5 careers (not just jobs) before they retire. Hell I've had 3, and my kids are gen-y teens!

As for flicking the guys after 6 years. On what basis would they have for sacking those pilots. If that was the way they operated, why wouldn`t they sack everyone after a year or 2 as it is cheaper to have pilots on year 1 wage as oppsed to year 6.
This is just blantant rumour mungering and slinging **** for the sake of it.

waren9 you are a F%^^$wit. On what grounds do you base your comments in reference to J* safety and standards? Simply because they are not Qantas? Grow up you child.

I would think it's like an apprentiship - a 6 year contract with right of renewal or not. There's plenty of (L)AME apprentices that do not retain their job at the end of their time, or at the least have to apply for a permanent position in the company that they have just worked for for the last 5 years.

How many virgin and J* FO's are on forced leave at the moment? That should give you an idea metrosmoker... Same thing happened to a few QF and Link cadets. But hey, as everyone says its what makes the world go round. :ok:

Paying for your own interview and selection process....??
 

Paying for your own interview and selection process....?? and training

Struth you don,t pay an employer for a job get real out there soon these joints will have what they really want people to WORK FOR FREE and anyone paying is just making this WORK FOR FREE idea come sooner. :mad:

I'm in the same boat, if anyone knows anything about the assessment process for the ACP a PM would be great!

Have it on good authority that it is the SHL tests etc, quite extensive, including the shapes etc. There is also a panel interview asking behavioural questions and tech questions requisite with your aeronautical experience.

However, the most important test involves a pineapple. Day 1 you're allowed to use vaseline. If you are successful on Day 1, Day 2 is similar (As will the rest of the 6 years), they simply take away the vaseline.

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Do the wannabe cadets get a new pineapple each day?

I bet they have to pay for that as well as the interview!!!

Where'd you hear that?

Ditto...:ok:

Metrosmoker- go to the Atsb site. Jq standards may be the highest you've seen but they are not airline standards. Regional perhaps. They took 3 attempts to get Lwmo approval- and that was the check department.

The 330 is better, simply cause they failed most of the incompetents back to the 320, a novel way of addressing a standards issue. Nothing to do with not being Qantas, and a lot to do with once being Impulse.

Brutal and to the point outahere.

I must say, without naming names, some of the blokes I've seen coming out of low cost Australian carriers are well below par. Not their fault. Just nobody has ever invested any training in them.

It's logical metrosmoker. After six years you have paid back all the money owed to the Company for training etc,. Now if you have been a good lad and not rocked the boat regards wanting more money and better conditions then you will be retained. However, if your name has "come out in lights" for whatever reason then ........there's the door.

This whole cadetship thing wreaks of hiring the most subservient aircrew imaginable and keeping it that way............OR ELSE!

Sad really :(