Matt Hall loads his pants!
 

pics say it all.

great flying or luck?

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Wow, Arch almost came unstuck here too. What's going on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvH-U8DiJKQ

Just looks like a completely idiotic thing to be doing, IMO!

I still remember the carnage of top level motor racing in the 60's and 70's when many of the best in the business died:

Clark, McLaren, Courage, Rindt, Moss (almost) etc

Dr :8

Qualifying Highlights, Windsor :: Red Bull Air Race Videos
- bit more detailed than forkies :P - once you skip past the promo stuff at the start. :ok:

These guys are seriously nuts!!!!:}

Aviation is as safe as eggs, until something like this happens & proves it otherwise. It was bound to happen as we saw a few months ago & heaven forbid it will most likely get worse (with the obvious results). Trouble is where do you draw the line? Risks, it's all about risks, calculated ones mostly.


Wmk2

Cummon people! It's just high g turns and basic aeros.....A demo pilot should be able to do as much.:E

Ya mean cos they only have one engine? :}:}

Another view -

Well they wouldn't do it if it wasn't dangerous really, would they, that's probably what makes it a buzz for the pilots, I can see that, if I had the skills and money and physical conditioning and... I could see me giving it a go.

You only live once.

Here is a list of the most dangerous sports in the World.
Cheerleading comes in at No.1 ... Pylon Racing ... No. 52

Most Dangerous Sports - Top Ten List


No, I don't know how they rate them.

Should we ban Cheerleading?:eek:

Not a valid comparison!

What is the ranking where the only outcome considered is the DEATH of the participant?

Dr :8

Is it really that much worse than F1 racing in terms of danger? F1 cars are probably going faster and have the added risk of running into each other.

Looked like a high speed stall to me, but I will await Planky's conformation on that!

Dr :8

Um no - there has now been 2 x ground (water) touches in a month or so One was a bit more than a touch), and pilots have walked away from both.

Great recovery.

Matt explains what happened here - What happened?? My water impact (incl. video)|Matt Hall Racing

gee...both incidents over water. I have no personal practice at this stuff (obviously :}) but is it more risky doing this low level work over water that land??? I did look kind of overcast on the photos. Bet you will lose no claim bonus for that claim!!! :E

IMHO it's only a matter of (probably a very short) time before we see our first fatality in the RBAR. As these guys take more and more risks to be the fastest they are flurting with an extremely unforgiving sport. We all know what happens when you push the envelope with aviation, whether it be pushing VFR in poor weather, or low level high G manoevres. The closer to the edge you get the smaller the margins, and less likelihood for recovery if the edge is crossed.

Ah, hark the loungeroom experts.:rolleyes:
Yep, lets ban it all at fly around at FL350 straight and level.
Long live the nanny state!!:ugh:

He has had a big head cold all week that kept him in bed all day. Probably didnt help.

Yes but that's the whole point, isn't it? That's why these guys enjoy it, along with racing car drivers, bike racers, free divers, all those guys. They just happen to do it in an aircraft. These guys LIVE to take risks.

To me it just looks like an extreme form of ag flying.

Let them get on with it, sure somebody will die eventually but taking the risk is their choice. I'd rather not be forcibly wrapped in cotton wool and protected by the state, thank you very much!

..you obviously don't live in NZ anymore then remoak! :}

NZ does (did?) have the right attitude towards the extreme sport thing. Here in Oz, we'd try and ban it. :mad:

Anyone remember that Flight Safety Article he was in about 12 months ago?

So I wonder if this scenario came up in one of his 'what if' scenarios? Ie. What if I lose it into the water thus leaving my wife without a husand and my children without a father...****

So what does the Flight Safety poster boy think that was? Is that an example of how not to wage war on 'error'...

I have no qualms about what these guys do, it is a sport which is dangerous and will take a life eventually, just like many other sports. What I do have a problem with is Mr Hall trying to pass it off as mitigated risk! I have never heard so much bullsh:mad:t in my life.

j3

:D That it was!

Half the paying public turn up to see near misses or crashes, just like in motorsport. Not me, but I do love RBAR.

There is a worldwide backlash against the nanny-state culture that has attempted to stifle all fun. Skydiving business has exploded in popularity in the last few years, as have adventure holidays.

Danger is the spice of life.

Dont we mitigate risk every time we fly :confused::confused::confused:

You're seriously going to compare risk mitigation between RBAR and a Charter/Private/RPT flight? I can see the similarities... I'll list them

They both involve an aeroplane


ummmmmm




j3

"I felt I was having a fairly good run,” Hall said. “I might have skipped twice on the water. It’s a very disappointing result for me. It’s the motor racing equivalent of touching the wall.

I agree with the comparison, but the wall is usually a concrete deflector - they were changed over the years so they didn't grab the car.

It does seem like exuberance is growing in this sport, which really hasn't had a bad safety record to date IMO, and the best way to bring things back from the brink is to have experienced Stewards to counsell the pilots.

[QUOTE]What I do have a problem with is Mr Hall trying to pass it off as mitigated risk! I have never heard so much bullsht in my life./QUOTE]

I don't suppose the hours spent in FA 18's & F22's & unlimited aerobatics would put him in any position to know what he's talking about :rolleyes:
None of these pilots go out there to kill themselves, the fact it could happen is always a possibility, besides what do you expect him to say :confused:
Like him or not the man just had an experience none of us would have survived

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't ever be down that low over water, doing aeros, thats just me though... And was it luck, just a little maybe?

Ummm, no. Just because you do them, doesn't make them any less risky. How long has he been flying, all that hot gear and yet still can fall down. I'm not trying to have a go at him, or the race, it is a hugely popular sport and good on them for competing in it. Just don't try and tell me that you 'manage' the risks in that sport... Do that long enough, that close to the ground, and it will get you...

j3

J3 - don't confuse residual risk with mitigated risk.

Mitigated risk means that there are processes and procedures in place to reduce the risk. (i.e. 12 G limits in turns, strict selection criteria etc). This is the process of risk mitigation and there is no doubt this takes place.

Residual risk is the level of risk left AFTER mitigation. It is different for you, me and Matt Hall.

If it is acceptable to him (and it obviously is) let's sit back in our 1g armchairs and enjoy the flying! I certainly do.

Are you sure you are 26 J3? Sound more like 56.:ok:

I wish, I really wish I had grown up 30 years ago... That way I might have gotten a chance to fly a 727...:}

Pylon Racing
 

Insane at the least. If anyone thinks this is a safe thing to do along a river within the CBT of a city with people just a short aircraft disintegration way, then those people have lost the plot. If anyone can tell me it's sport, recreational flying for high testosterone males or just plain low flying I am afraid I will not be convinced. This is akin to allowing hoon-racing by young males in high powered aircraft but I think if you do it in your car, they take your licence and pulverise your car. The whole thing about this activity within the confines of a city CBT is that is should not be on. Who gives approval for this alleged sport? Oh, now I remember: C*S*. Are they the same mob who have become so worried about mid-air collisions in and around ex-GAAP Control Zones that they mandate to the wall but give approval to this kind of rubbish? If any of us did anything approaching this in our 182s or such, we be hung,drawn and quartered. But then again, this is sport isn't it C*S*. :eek:

You're just jealous it's in Perth and not Sydney :ok:

I would love to see the stats on aeroclub memberships after the air races came to Australia.

If I was good enough and had the opportunity I would be there in a heart beat.....

So how is this different to low level aerobatics during an airshow? And what's a CBT??

For christs sake people, get a life.

These aren't your everyday weekend warriors. They're highly trained aerobatic professionals who have been specially picked to compete in the RBAR.

We all work in an environment whereby we are exposed to risks everyday. It's just a matter of how you control the risk.

morno

I guess my problem is that I just don't get it!

Mostly boring as bat excreta, IMO, unless they dunk one or bounce it off the water.

When in Perth a couple of years ago we had a choice - stay for the RBAR, or fly the FTDK back to Qld. We chose the latter - at least that was the plan until Jaba broke the fuel tanks! The ride home on the Rat still had more appeal than the RBAR.

But that is just me!

Dr :8

Amazing how we can all argue so much about everyone else's predicament - when you're facing a risk sitting in front of that computer.

"Live by the sword, die by the sword" It's their choice - not like the war was.... eh?

So training (and experience) isn't a risk mitigator? :confused:

No, it's not! :ugh:

• One takes place on a public road, one takes place in restricted airspace.
  
• One involves relatively inexperienced drivers, with little/no training. One involves highly trained and very very experienced pilots.
  
• One is involves the illegal and irresponsible use of a motor vehicle which is not designed for the tasks it is employed in. One involves the controlled use of a high performance aircraft, specifically designed for the task which it is employed in.
  
• One has no safety controls, regulation or risk management. One has safety controls, regulation & risk management.
  
• One is pointless. One is a competition for points and reward.

Need I go on? Sanctimonious :mad:s

An excellent example of Australian Tall Poppy syndrome at its finest.

Good jobs everyone......:ok:


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I always thought Mark Webber had a point with his nanny state remark (which was meant more widely than LH's tyre screeching). Maybe he was wrong. We've become a nanny culture! :}