The obligatory OshKosh thread
 

Sooooo.... as the title suggests, who is going to OshKosh this year?

Perhaps we can share itinerary's and catch up for a drink or two etc at a mutually convenient time and place (ie. over-run the bar with Aussies).

Damn, as a K One W One I guess I am excluded then. :uhoh:

In the early 80s I had a tape of the OshKosh tower controlling the incoming and an outgoing flight. Unfortunately it was lost during a move and I haven't been able to obtain a copy or even anything like it again. Those guys were absolutely incredible, a work of art even. Does anyone know of a recording of the OshKosh controllers as they do thier thing on the busy days?

I'll be there:ok:

:}I'll be there. 1st time!

Kelly's bar most nights and the International BBQ where the beer is free.....

Put your card on the board in the international tent

My first time too :ok:

Another prominent member on here will be there too. Just waiting for him to join in.

Anyone got any recommendations on where to stay in LA for a couple of nights on the way there for a break?

I guess I must be "Prominent" :} :E

Will be there for 4 or 5 days :ok:

So triadic.....that makes you in charge of the PPRUNE Oz party, so which night and where do we meet?

J:ok:

wish I was going but it was too close to Farnborough and I had to pick. anyone trying to do both (or Duxford a couple of weeks earlier and then OshKosh)?

And for all of you going to Oshkosh (or anywhere else in the US for that matter) here's a tip. Go to Queen Vic market or equivalent in your main city and buy a whole load of little koala bears with Aussie flags, the kind tourists buy to clip on their lapels. Cost around $5 for 20. Hand them out to anyone in the service industry you meet- check-in staff, hotel receptionists, bar staff etc etc. Americans love this and you will be amazed how they respond.(like upgrade to a suite my last time in the US)
Also great for bartering all over the Oshkosh site.

Thanks for reminding me AA. I've also heard that elsewhere.

Agree with AA... you get lots of mileage out of such trinkets....

Staying in LA... there is a few hotels near LAX and some are not too expensive.
Best value in the US is the "Big Blue Bus" which goes from the airport hotels to Santa Monica & Venice beach... worth at least a day. Used to be just $1 each way!

Rule one for OSH... stay the full week - you will still not see it all.

Take good walking shoes and summer clothes as it is hot - take hat etc. It is almost 2miles from Northern warbird park to southern U/L park and you wont do that in a day. A light jumper or jacket for the evenings is a good idea. It may also rain. The TS's there are bottlers!

Obtain a program and find out when things are on and plan your visit to ensure you see what you want.

A small backpack is good to have to carry stuff around and have hands free for looking at stuff you want to buy. Bottle of water is good to have.

Register at the International Tent down near the tower. They will tell u when some of the international events are on, incl the march and BBQ.

Take camera of course. Have at least one spare data card. They are cheap in the US so you can buy some more if you don't have the laptop to transfer pics to. Shoping is good at OSH and there is an outlet center over the highway with lots of good stuff, especially clothes. Make sure your bag is not full when u leave home, it will be on the return!

Go to the museum - allow half a day minimum.

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We'll be there! But any suggestions for keeping the wife happy? Any knitting tents or craft displays for The Better Half? A full week at Oshkosh is probably stretching it for those not aeronautically-inclined...

Do you have kids, grand kids or nieces and nephews? If so, don't forget OshKosh is the home of OshKosh-by-gosh kids clothing brand... That'll keep her busy for a few hours.

Airventure is a bit overwhelming
 

I did my first trip in 08 after thinking about it for many years. don't think just go!
Join the EAA if you haven't already member discounts ect.
Hired a car at o'hare and camped to be close to the action.
Travelled light and bought cheap camping gear at walmart everything i needed including camp chair and esky for under a hundred bucks. empty tent and put it in the car as the area will puddle up in rain. donated it all to the south african guys as they return each year and leave their stuff stored.
on site food requires a detox. camp ground security is very good but take usual precautions. amenities are pretty good and more added each year. school buses will take you to various locations around the field including the museum (a day in itself) and seaplane base, (great in the heat of the day)plus into various shops and discount outlets in town. On field there are 'trams' to hop on and off at various points of interest. i gave away many little badges and like others have said it pays but just the warm smile and response is worth it. Banks and post office shipping agents all on site. you can buy a little radio and listen to either the EAA radio or the tower. Airshow every arvo. enjoy the lack of barricades and friendly flight line marshalls. try and get there a day or two early you can wander every where and watch a lot of aircraft arrive.
spend a little extra and fly in something we don't have back home. i did the B17g :ok:. when you walk out at the end of your first day try not to feel like you were born in the wrong country.
On the way back to o'hare i stopped off to visit the harley davidson museum at milwalkie. not a big fan of them but but my two brothers in law wanted a t shirt each. pretty impressive and ended up taking almost 3 hundred photos. keep a weather eye out as it is tornado season.
enjoy

Hi Alpha,

We used that trick last time at Oshkosh.... and we were overwelmed by the trading we could get with the furry little devils as well as Aussie flag lapel pins.

International Dinner was also a treat.

Where is everybody staying?
We are the Christian Uni, about 8 miles from the airport, where are the good eateries & bars from there?
We camped at Camp Schollar last time.

Cheers

QFF

I found the perfect answer to that. Mrs Jaba is doing this... "The PPRuNer's wifes tour"
Cosmos - EASTERN U.S & CANADA GRAND VACATION

Few days in NY before, I go to Oshkosh, then a few days in Washington DC doing the Smithsonianss, then over to Seattle and Oregon and meet p again in SFO for 4 days.

Happy Jaba's! :ok:

I first went in 82 and have been almost a dozen times since. It is always a hoot and especially for the first timers. It does help however as mentioned above to do some homework and work out a plan of attack... what do you want to see or do... check the program for all the displays and workshops/forums etc. They are on all day, every day so there is plenty to choose from. Take the badges and teddy bears etc... must do advice for traveling in the US. They love that sort of thing. Explore the EAA web site fully. Join EAA.

Some of the must do's have already been mentioned, so I might repeat, but the most important is STAY THE FULL WEEK and get there early if you can.

Plenty of things for the ladies to do and you will be surprised to see how interested they become in aeroplanes (sorry: airplanes..! ) and the people there... it is just so different to what might be expected in Oz.

hints:

Comfortable pair of walking shoes required - casual summer clothes to suit - you will most likely sit on the ground from time to time, so keep that in mind.

Daytime temps will be high twenties to mid thirties C - (85-95F) summer clothes required - something light maybe for night. A light mac is good if it folds small in case of rain - usually a chance of a thunderstorm that time of year. They sell lots of them there so don't worry if you don't take one.

Take hat etc for sun protection

A backpack is a good idea

Camera of course... big lens if you have one and spare data capacity

Staying at the UWO (Uni) is good, but basic. Rooms have two single beds and the facilities are on each floor - Washrooms etc are shared, but usually clean and showers etc are private. There is often late rooms available due to cancellations.

A yellow school bus runs a regular service between the Uni and the grounds for a small charge. You will find out where the stops are on day one.

The Uni have a great Cafe where you can do b'fast, usually all you can eat for around $7 or $8. A big b'fast might save lunch?? Lots of places to eat on the grounds, but not much variety - burgers chips, and salads etc. Being at the Uni, you are close to town and there is a few good places to eat not far away. There is a tavern in the main street called "the Roxy" which has the greatest grain fed steak. (It is marked on Google Maps at 571 North Main Street) worth at least one visit. There is a bar near the Uni (short walk) by the name of "Kelly's" in Wisconsin St (near the corner of High Ave if you look on Google maps). It is a popular spot and a lot of Ozzies go there. Gets a bit like a Zoo late tho'.

At the grounds, the EAA give you a wrist band to wear for the week to show you have paid. It is plastic and will last the week ok.

Obtain a program and check the map out as well as what is on... check if there is anything of specific interest and note those times for a visit to that site.

There is lots of displays and in 4 large hangar like buildings there are many traders selling their goods - aeroplane bits to jewelry and clothing etc. You name it, it is bound to be there....

Not far from the control tower is a large white and yellow marque know as the "international tent" where all the international visitors congregate. Go there on day one and register your name for Australia. you will receive a name badge etc. There are two events during the week that involve the international visitors and you should find out when they are to be held and then go. First one is the international march where all the international visitors line up behind their country flag and march down to a building about 200m away to be welcomed by the President of the EAA or his deputy. It is a fun hour and you usually get to see all the other travellers.
The second event is an international BBQ they have at a site not far from the main gate - in the woods towards the EAA museum. It is a free feed and some beer for a few hours - but don't be late as it is very popular.

The EAA Museum is up near the highway ( Highway 41) and is a must visit. Very well put together and with lots of interesting aircraft on display. Check if your show entry gives you entry to the museum, often it does. Plan your visit during the week and maybe in the am hours. Again the yellow bus will take you there and back to the grounds.

Across the highway is an Outlet Center with about 100 shops. Range is good and prices usually well below Oz, even considering exchange rates. Some goods are better than duty free prices. There is a regular yellow bus that goes there and back from the grounds.

Don't worry too much about your return to Chicago as there is usually plenty of folk going there after the show and I have never found it hard to get a ride. It is about a 3 hr drive. Give yourself a day to do it as you don't want to have to rush at the last moment. There is always the Greyhound bus which goes from the old terminal on the north side of the airport. I usually plan to have a night in LA before heading home. Plenty to do there.

After doing the bus etc I now rent a car from ORD and keep it for the week. The rates are good and the flexibility on site is wonderful - also a trunk to put your goodies in during the day, tho parking can be some distance from the action. Enterprise I found give a good deal.

Enjoy!

Can vouch for the Roxy:ok:
In fact this year the Roxy is the host for the International DeHavilland Assoc annual dinner and all around pissup! All rag and bag devotees can attend, subject to ticket availability. I'll be there, but Jaba probably won't want to go though - he'll most likely be attending some Retard Vehicle aluminium symposium.
Anyone looking for accom - large private house on the lake, mostly an all aussie turnout of tenants. Walking distance to the show, pool,no shortage of beer fridges. About $60-$65US night, and if you're nice, washing can be done, basic brekky provided, and transport for inebriated visitors can often be arranged. Let me know (usual disclaimers).
All previous tips are good. I've particularly enjoyed attending some of the workshops and lectures. Certainly join the EAA before going - membership entitles you to free admission to the museum (a full day if you get up late).
I generally buy/beg a lightweight walking stick'folding chair, which I either lose or redonate to the cause - invaluable for watching the afternoon airshow.

very funny Mr Chair.

I had been invited along by my friendly moth mate.....the owner of the lovely yellow and blue one Chimbu Chuck has been showing off recently. I was told they even let in us aluminium and glass folk.....sounds like a recycle bin does it not?:ooh:

J:ok:

If anyone was thinking of going and the airfare was a bit much, check this out.

V Australia > Best Fares

Some times it does pay to wait till the last minute.:{

Mind you finding a bunk may be the next challenge.

Maybe this clip can wet your appetites...

YouTube - Airventure 2009


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Thanks Fox, absolutely great filming and editing:ok:
Your film shows the great variety and quality of the aircraft and flying displays there, and the thing I also notice about Oshkosh more than any other show is that it's attended almost exclusively by current/past pilots and aviation enthusiasts.
The aircraft are not cordoned off, you are free to wander through the whole aircraft parking areas - apart from the flight line, there is nothing off limits.
Almost everyone in the crowd there has some direct involvement in the aviation fraternity, and only too willing to share their story.
I think that's why EAA and Oshkosh week is so successful.
Cheers

I would not be too worried..... there is usually cancellations at the Uni.

You have to go there as soon as you arrive in town and put your name down for a room and you may not get the key till late in the day.

If flying in via LAX, go to ORD and rent a car for the week.

Check the EAA site out for the "accommodation hot line" which arrange billets etc. Always good value. Might cost you a phone call or two to arrange.

cheers

I'm looking to share a rent-a-car from ORD this year! Any takers?
Excellent digs at Oshkosh can be arranged if needed (not the uni)

I booked a car for a few days at Tucson after Osh Kosh this year thinking I would be cool to get something American so I booked a Pontiac G5, cool.

Driving through Laverton yesterday, am passed by a Left Hand Drive Pontiac G5. It's a bloody COMMODORE!!! Felt quite ripped off! Might have to change my booking to something actually American.

Sorry Owen, I forgot that was your end of town. I'll ask permission next time I'm in your area too.


Anyways, (as the youth of today would say), I'm all booked, couldn't get the A380 over so going via Kiwi land on clapped out old 743, couple a days in LA, over to Milwaukee, catch up with Jaba's crew, 5 days at Airventure, over to Tucson, boneyard, road-trip in Commodore to Vegas via Grand Canyon and Hoover, couple of nights in the mighty Vegas and back home on the A380.

Let's hope my 2 internal flights on Air Tran and Frontier aren't flights to remember for all the wring reasons!

All up $3k for Airventure tickets, flights, buses, accom, Universal studios and hirecars. Not including food and fuel. No bad as that is two whole weeks away and staying in Marriott and some other half decent places.

743 I gather is tongue in cheek at the 744.....coz we got none of them oldies left now!

Yeah, either way it will be an old banger given it's based in NZ.

Oshkosh....

Echo many of tridic's advice re comfy summer clothing (with lightweight spray jacket for those thundery afternoons) and comfy shoes especially. slouch hat will mark you as an aussie for sure, but that is ok at OSH.

have always done self FIFO, and that is fun in itself.

don't miss international tent and aussie night. Every night is aussie night at Kelly's of course.

The uni is ok for sure, I have stayed in far worse accomodation in eastern bloc countries and the sub continent, where that would be 4 star. Get stuck in at brekky and you will get through the day better. Remember to bus your own tables.

Take Money.

yank beer is generally cat's p!ss as you all no doubt know, but beware of the likes of samual adams. this does not usually come in a tanker like the beer does at OSH. we cleaned the truck out at the after show participants party one year and were personna not grata, as this is not the done thing at US aviation events. Jimmy Franklin, Bobby Younkin and Jim Leroy all were wildly amused by our efforts, as they had experienced the aussie drinking team previously, but most others (including the skydiving team) were a bit taken aback with the concentrated onslaught on the beer truck and indifference to the trays of weiners that constituted the tucker. Shame that the Masters of Disaster are no more after the untimely ends of the above three, but man was that an airshow act!

walk all the aircraft parks you can and you will generall be rewarded with some real gems.

Enough warbirds for anyone and I especially like the replica racers that seem to abound at this event. things like the Laird super solution and other types with little wings and big engines (not just GeeBees!)

No Bundy to be found Spodman, you will have to make do with the local brew, and the occaisional sip of maker's mark.

take more money. ride the train. ride the B17, ride the ford, talk to anyone, it's a blast.

Not going this year as i have event right near davis monthan the week before and then have to scoot to Farnyburra for my first look at that one instead of OSH, too hard to do both, but I would love to try.

You do not need to say "Crikey" all the time and stuff like "that's not a knife" is a bit passe in the uni canteen, especially if holding a spoon in full view, they will sus you for an Aussie even without the hangover, sunburn and cloud of alcohol fumes hanging around your entourage, though learning a few useful phrases like "billabong me wallabies cobber, I'll just take a pew on these toowoomba's while I loosen the swaggies on me numbats" will be sure to impress those svelte blonde girlies.

Have fun, I'm sure you will.

HD

FoxtrotAlpha18 & Chairman- the YouTube - Airventure 2009 video was done by a friend of mine. "Slick" was a 17yo Senior in High School when he did the video last summer. He flies acro in a Pitts and is now a student at Texas A&M University and a Naval ROTC midshipman. He's spending most of his summer with the US Navy & Marine Corps, hope his orders allow him to make it to Oshkosh.

needs some words......not many sleeps now!:)

There had better not be too many Retard Vehicles there otherwise I'll be p!ssed off !

.......we'll I reckon you will be then :}

Oshkosh Tower
 

Retard Vehicles!!!..............you've gotta get dark sunnies to stop the reflections from off all that Alummmmmmmmm in the RV park:cool:

...........:E:E:E:E:}:}:}:}

hmmm...
 

MEL-ORD-MEL = £803.60 - that's very tempting...

Oshkosh
 

Last year they had a live "runway cam"complete with ATC.Just Google EAA Airventure and follow the links.There is,of coarse,a time difference with Australia.It was awsome to watch and listen to.

Oshkosh 2010
 

I am going again this year.Have stayed at the UWO,but found the hot nights a bit trying! This year am staying in a motel at Appleton,about 30 kms away.Lamers coaches have a shuttle from Appleton to Aiventure each day.Also flyng with QF via SFO this time as I cant stand LAX.Internal flying from SFO to ATW with Delta.Lots of good info on this thread hawever which will help first timers.If your interested in Aviatiion,you wont be dissapointed!

Overflying Airventure
 

I did the B17g flight. good buzz sitting up in the nose over flying airventure. The rec van area is top right i'd say covering as big as area as the show.
YouTube - Overflying Airventure in B17g Bomber