This may sound like a stupid question to many, but how do they pick the direct entry 733 FOs as opposed to the 744/763/772 SOs? Is there another ranking system?

zksuj.... i assume it is the luck of the draw as to what plane you get a sstart on.. Am sure they'll try to give you your preference though. Good luck to the guys who sat over the weekend

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From a newbie,
What's the typical time people are waiting between applying to ANZ and hearing back from them? Do they always respond? If they interview in Nov, whats the best guess at a probable start date? early 2008?

Are ANZ still interviewing, or have they stopped for a while?

Interveiws this month apparently, Good Luck. Probably sorting out the Freedom situation before they are making too many plans.

Make sure you have your degree handy when filling out your application form, it makes all the diffence when applying for a 5 year back seat in a 777 or when its blowing 55kts in WLG when your trying to land a -300... Apparently...:sad:

...at least it would come in useful for using "your" and "you're" correctly...

Choice bro!!

If you're female you always used to get in with a third of everything. Ie a third of the hours, a third of the education etc. So hopefully they have the points system adjusted accordingly for females too, there are far too many guys in air NZ and the females and minorities really should make up the bulk of the next 5 or 10 years intake.

It makes sense, we all know it.

How many minorities in Air NZ flight crew at the moment? Are there quite a few?

No big deal about being minority or femakle I hope

no big deal, it's just considerably easier to join, as it should be. That's all.

Split flap - outstanding !

Do you think my Art History degree or my Zoology degree will be more relevant to my ability to do the job ? :ugh:

StillAlbatross - surely you jest ?

40 Below

Mayby my Bcom/BA will give me a much better understanding of the LRN requirements across the Pacific? :rolleyes:

Ok Stillalbatross I will bite!!

Why should it be easier to join if you are a minoritie??????

Anyway I think your just trying to wind a few of the boys up. So I am going to ask a real question.

I have heard conflicting ideas on Air NZs employment for 2008. Some say they will interview 100 people next year, some say none. Two extremes. Anyone have any ideas????

Interviews to be held at the end of Oct, beginning of Nov - depending upon successful outcome of the freedom offer. The numbers required will depend upon the number of vacancies left by freedom pilots.
This will possibly be the last interview for the year, so that the link carriers have some time for their pilots to gain experience in the left and right seat.
Interviews will recommence next year depending on the lead in delay for the 787 and the number of retirements throughout the year.

The training is always the bottle-neck, so it will depend on training slots as to which fleet type and how many.......

Cheers duck
I will see what happens next year then

Quote ......."there are far too many guys in air NZ and the females and minorities really should make up the bulk of the next 5 or 10 years intake.


It makes sense, we all know it."


I think I want to chunder:yuk::ugh:


insinuating that women and minorities should get an upper hand does this "so-called" group a dis-service..........it stinks of the yank system,and does nothing but alienate people,it has never worked successfully,and the remnants of Uniteds hiring policies (as an example) have never been proven to be a successful way to hire people

hire them for who they are and their merits.....smart HR people know the difference..and the qualities of individuals

40 Below,

I think a degree in Zoologogy or basket weaving or anything else has absolutly jack to do with flying an aircraft, but the people who decide who to give the interveiws to do, and thats all that matters. :{
5000h Regional turbprob captains have been told "You will not get an interveiw, untill you complete a degree". It's their company, and they may interveiw whoever they like, and have whatever hoops to jump through to get an interveiw. But they are missing out on a lot of GOOD people that all they have ever wanted to do is fly for their national airline, now saying screw it, i'm never going to get an interveiw as the goalpost's have changed, I will go and be a loyal employee for Air NZ's competion. Air NZ's loss.
I know the powers that be read these pages, and in particular this thread, and I hope that things may change, but I doubt it. I think it is really sad. :(

So how much influence does the Freedom situation have on hires? Ie Are some Freedom guys going to move on? When does this happen?

Please enlighten me.

Thanks

Split Flap

You are entirely correct in that it is their game and they can set the bar for interviews wherever they like.

I would have no problem if I had an interview and was turned down for any reason, such as not meeting the required standard in any area. I find it professionally disheartening however and entirely ideologically unsound that despite having reasonable experience and having survived some few sporting moments over the years, that I am unable to even get my name up for consideration due to the fact that I went out there and started doing it, rather than spending 3 or 4 years in an alcohol fuelled orgy of couch burning interspersed with the occasional lecture.

I know which type of pilot I would rather have up front when it all goes pearshaped.

Best of luck however to those that are able to sucessfully navigate the arbitrary process towards getting an interview.:bored:

40 Below

Have head Jet time/or a Degree ie Hip Hop studies,twilight golf or Film appreacinon dose carry similar 'points' with ANZ

About 30k for either way a Jet Rating or a Degree? 3years to complete a degree I'd say 3years on a jet most would be knocking on the door of a command with the LCC, ANZ S/O about 95k all up Cpt on a 73 or the like about 165K

Management at the LCC likes of PB, JC must be laughing all the way to the bank, ANZ are indirectly fuelling the compaction

This is a true sigh of a typical legacy carrier, like trying to turn the Queen marry, I think they need to be a lot faster on their feet Ugly new uniforms (not wear tested), no bickys,and ditching skilled enginering, did someone spike the coffee?
Companies like Virgin have NZ/the Pacific and Trans Pacific in their sights and there will be E-jet in NZ before to long and you can bet their new 777's will be swinging past NZ in the near future

But yes it is their Train set..well mostly government tax payers, and good luck to em

The Freedom situation is internal seat swaps so won't have much effect on new hires, however it may slow the training department down, so new hire courses might be little thin on the ground untill it all gets sorted.

40B

I couldn't agree with you more, it's their train set and they do as they see fit.

What I have a little difficulty with is the following disapointing scenario...
I have a friend who left school at 15 and drove trucks dawn till dusk to get enough money to take flying lessons, by 19 had had his CPL, no debt, and his first job, in his late twenties now with tons of experience, great guy, good pilot, ATPL, etc etc no student debt gets told by Air NZ that he will now not even get the chance to put forward his case in an interveiw because he didn't finish school 10 years ago.
He had 2 options, borrow money to get a type rating, or spend 3 years getting a degree in whatever, to get enough points for an interveiw, either way expensive. He got a type rating, works for Air NZ's competition now, and I doubt will update his CV with Air NZ.
I know he's not the only person in this scenario.

On the other hand you could get a student loan, burn couches, drink piss, get a degree in cut and paste, then get another student loan, learn to fly do a couple of years in GA and have the required points.

I know who id rather sit next to. But who cares what I think. :(