Jandakot Crash
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Fugro's C404 looks like it lost an engine and crashed near the NDB. one confirmed dead and five injured. just saw the pictures on the tele, very messy and lucky for the survivors to have gotten out of it.
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From The West Australian
One dead after Jandakot plane crash
ONE person was killed and five injured when a light plane crashed as it approached Perth's Jandakot airport, police said.
The Cessna 404 with six people on board brushed trees as it was coming into land at the airport, crashing in scrubland.
Ambulance crews were on the scene with at least two of the injured believed to have serious burns.
One dead after Jandakot plane crash
ONE person was killed and five injured when a light plane crashed as it approached Perth's Jandakot airport, police said.
The Cessna 404 with six people on board brushed trees as it was coming into land at the airport, crashing in scrubland.
Ambulance crews were on the scene with at least two of the injured believed to have serious burns.
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Channel 10 news interviewed an eye witness who was in the observation area next to the tower. Apparently aircraft took off and failed to gain any height clipping trees before crashing.
Very sad. Condolances to all
Very sad. Condolances to all
One eyewitness over here on GWN stated "the aircraft didn't get very high after take-off and went to come back around, then just a ball of flames" The anchor man stated that the aircraft was on its way to Rotto and that the pilot was the one to have been killed.
Deepest sympathies to all involved.
Deepest sympathies to all involved.
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Fugro had 3 Titans, I think. Anyone know which one? Not that it makes any difference. A very sad day indeed. Also saw on last night's news where a C172 didn't quite make it to the runway at Singleton in the Hunter Valley. From what was left of the wreckage you wouldn't have thought there were any survivors, but the two occupants got out with only fairly minor injuries.
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I was out there, saw the whole thing.
Aircraft appeared to rotate very late on 24R. It failed to climb. Nose in a high attitude as it came over rwy30/12, gear came up and right prop stopped. It then passed really low over the trees at the end of the rwy and started to turn left. Appeared like it was trying to get back to land. Got to where the NDB is and dissappered behind the tree line, this was followed by a big fireball.
Aircraft appeared to rotate very late on 24R. It failed to climb. Nose in a high attitude as it came over rwy30/12, gear came up and right prop stopped. It then passed really low over the trees at the end of the rwy and started to turn left. Appeared like it was trying to get back to land. Got to where the NDB is and dissappered behind the tree line, this was followed by a big fireball.
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Condolances to all the families, especialy of the deceased.
Thoughts & best wishes for a speedy recovery of those in hospital.
I guess these accidents are always going to happen, but it is really sobering when you see it happen on your own turf, even if you don't personaly know those involved.
Thoughts & best wishes for a speedy recovery of those in hospital.
I guess these accidents are always going to happen, but it is really sobering when you see it happen on your own turf, even if you don't personaly know those involved.
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Sad news....
Was shocked to hear about what happened....
Have many fond memories of flying out of Jandakot as a student, sad news indeed.
Condolances to the family of the person who didn't make it.
Sincere wishes for a fast recovery to the injured.
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Have many fond memories of flying out of Jandakot as a student, sad news indeed.
Condolances to the family of the person who didn't make it.
Sincere wishes for a fast recovery to the injured.
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It is an old topic I know, but you have to wonder about the media and what they are portraying to the community.
Just saw their "re-enactment" on their computer generated software. Not only have they pictured the aircraft on upwind at about 1000ft, they then proceed to show that, as a result of the right prop stopping, the aircraft then pitched into a steep vertical decent attitude and to quote 'plummeted to the ground'
....... well ........ doesn't that contradict everything that every single witness has said?
I also hear that the pilot survived, but is still listed as critical. It would be interesting to hear his version of events.
Out of interest, it was the second death in 40 year of JT history. I see the new chopper has been around for a few weeks now... So, as a result of this accident, is their going to be any new Emergency Service activated?
What comes with this chopper? Medically qualified crew? Or just a quick method of transport to a hospital?
It would be fantastic to have some something like this at Jandakot again, but a shame that it's implementation comes at the cost of a life.
Just saw their "re-enactment" on their computer generated software. Not only have they pictured the aircraft on upwind at about 1000ft, they then proceed to show that, as a result of the right prop stopping, the aircraft then pitched into a steep vertical decent attitude and to quote 'plummeted to the ground'
....... well ........ doesn't that contradict everything that every single witness has said?
I also hear that the pilot survived, but is still listed as critical. It would be interesting to hear his version of events.
Out of interest, it was the second death in 40 year of JT history. I see the new chopper has been around for a few weeks now... So, as a result of this accident, is their going to be any new Emergency Service activated?
What comes with this chopper? Medically qualified crew? Or just a quick method of transport to a hospital?
It would be fantastic to have some something like this at Jandakot again, but a shame that it's implementation comes at the cost of a life.
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I am surprised that the million & one local anti jandakot action groups haven't already jumped on this tradegy as another reason to squawk!
This type of media (and I use the term loosely) certainly doesn't help the situation.
This type of media (and I use the term loosely) certainly doesn't help the situation.
Aircraft was one of Fugro Titan's off on a sortie to drop sonar buoys (I think). RH engine failed just after lift-off on rwy 24 & it appears he was trying to get around onto rwy 30 to land but was unable to maintain height for whatever reason.
6 POB, 1 pax died the other five in hospital as far as I know. Condolences to all invovled.
Let's not speculate on cause, we'll wait for the official report instead!
6 POB, 1 pax died the other five in hospital as far as I know. Condolences to all invovled.
Let's not speculate on cause, we'll wait for the official report instead!
Rescue Chopper
The rescue chopper is new. Based at JT it will offer 15 mins airborne guarantee 24/7 in a 200km arc from Perth. Staffed with paramedics, it is due to be in service this coming weekend. Fortunately it happened to be there with crew on a training run.
Sad news indeed.
Sad news indeed.
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My condolences to the families and rellies of those on board. Always hits hard when things as tragic as this happen so close to home.
Major upheaval on local radio today about the lack of Fire & Rescue service at JT.
The RACWA seem to think that it would've made a difference in this instance, which I don't agree with from what I understand about the accident, but I still support the idea anyway given that it has lots of potential to save lives in any future events.
"Tombstone technology" - wait for someone to lose their life before implementing any changes and/or improvements to safety.
The state Govt. has no idea...
520.
Major upheaval on local radio today about the lack of Fire & Rescue service at JT.
The RACWA seem to think that it would've made a difference in this instance, which I don't agree with from what I understand about the accident, but I still support the idea anyway given that it has lots of potential to save lives in any future events.
"Tombstone technology" - wait for someone to lose their life before implementing any changes and/or improvements to safety.
The state Govt. has no idea...
520.
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They are trying! 
GWN midnight "news"...
with a shot of a QF link 146 and a skywest F50.
etc etc
GWN tried this avenue last week when it carried the "news" item of a QF 737 which turned back to perth (30 mins into the flight) after a passenger reported fuel streaming from the wing.
GWN then interviewed some biddy in Karratha saying that it turned back because Karratha had no fire service.
QF's reply that they had no repair facility in Karratha was presented in a very condescening way.
Not a very good way to present what is possibly a legitimate issue, and capitalising on the JT tragedy yesterday is nothing short of disgraceful.
GWN midnight "news"...
"The danger that 3/4 of a million West Australians face each year...."
" Only people in Perth have the safety of a dedicated fire service"
"As the crash in Jandakot yesterday showed, an aircraft can turn to ashes before fire crews arrive"
"Jandakot is one of the nation's busiest"
"No fire service in Port Headland, Karratha, Kalgoorlie"
"As the crash in Jandakot yesterday showed, an aircraft can turn to ashes before fire crews arrive"
"Jandakot is one of the nation's busiest"
"No fire service in Port Headland, Karratha, Kalgoorlie"
GWN tried this avenue last week when it carried the "news" item of a QF 737 which turned back to perth (30 mins into the flight) after a passenger reported fuel streaming from the wing.
GWN then interviewed some biddy in Karratha saying that it turned back because Karratha had no fire service.
QF's reply that they had no repair facility in Karratha was presented in a very condescening way.
Not a very good way to present what is possibly a legitimate issue, and capitalising on the JT tragedy yesterday is nothing short of disgraceful.
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Seems a reasonably balanced report
The West Australian (13/8)
Condolances to all involved, and best wishes for those in hospital.
Steve
The West Australian (13/8)
Condolances to all involved, and best wishes for those in hospital.
Steve
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With respect...
(my bolding)
is utter bullsh!t. There is no certification requirement for light twins to do this.
Oh yes it could - see above.
Oh yes...how do they know this? They know more than the ATSB?
Oh no he did not - he was in control of the aircraft in the air - that's why it landed wings level. If he was not in control, the aircraft would have flipped inverted into the ground as the airspeed descended through Vmca, and no-one would have walked away.
More journalistic cr@p [
Twin-engine aircraft can take off, climb and fly on one engine.
is utter bullsh!t. There is no certification requirement for light twins to do this.
The loss of one engine alone should not have caused the crash.
...but then the right engine stopped. With the left engine not producing full power, the flight was doomed.
With neither engine delivering full power the pilot was losing control
More journalistic cr@p
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compressor stall,
I could be wrong, I was of the understanding that the 404 was certified transport catergory hence the requirement to have 300 PIC before conducting RPT in that aircraft type.
Z
I could be wrong, I was of the understanding that the 404 was certified transport catergory hence the requirement to have 300 PIC before conducting RPT in that aircraft type.
Z
Zeke,
From: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...FILE/a25ce.pdf Page 4.
"Certification Basis Model 404:
Part 23 of the Federal Aviation Regulations effective February 1, 1965, as amended by 23-1 through 23-13 except Subpart B as amended through 23-14; and FAR 23.1385(c) as amended through 23-21; and 23.1327 as amended through 23-23. "
FAR 23 is "AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: NORMAL, UTILITY, ACROBATIC, AND COMMUTER CATEGORY AIRPLANES" (sorry for the bolding I am cutting and pasting
Just because CASA says that we can use it in RPT operations, does not make it a transport category aircraft.
CS
From: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...FILE/a25ce.pdf Page 4.
"Certification Basis Model 404:
Part 23 of the Federal Aviation Regulations effective February 1, 1965, as amended by 23-1 through 23-13 except Subpart B as amended through 23-14; and FAR 23.1385(c) as amended through 23-21; and 23.1327 as amended through 23-23. "
FAR 23 is "AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: NORMAL, UTILITY, ACROBATIC, AND COMMUTER CATEGORY AIRPLANES" (sorry for the bolding I am cutting and pasting
Just because CASA says that we can use it in RPT operations, does not make it a transport category aircraft.
CS