Any Ideas On First Twin Job

[yourdreamin]

For a pilot with over 1000 hours on singles (ie C210's), flying in NW W.A. its time to move on, to find that first job all over again. that first twin job that is.
Just wondering is anyone able to help, where to go and when. with 2 renewals but only 100 hrs multi IFR.

I know cairns is hard but, where else is there that amount of light twin operators in one spot.

Thoughts would be much appreciated


DOES ANYONE WISH TO SHARE THEIR STORY ON HOW THEY GOT THEIR FIRST TWIN JOB??????????

[Below 5000]

Yourdreamin,

All I can say is keep looking. Bear in mind you might have to go sideways before you go up so to speak. It's a tough one to get, but best of luck to you!

[Poto]

First Twin job

Look for an operator with a nice mix of singles and twins and target them for employment. Your experience should get you a gig on a single with possible progression on to a twin.
Companies doing general charter and/or freight would be the go (no multi requirements by customers).
Good Luck.

[yourdreamin]

hey below 5000 and Poto

thanks for the tips
does anyone know what its really like in cairns today, even to jump on a single for a bit, than progress on to a twin.
for someone with expierence on scenics / charter
Thanks

[Mr. Hat]

yourdreamin - there is no hard and fast answer. Had friend with you similar experience that got a job in NSW. He sent CV's to everyone and proceeded to visit them one by one.

The biggest problem people face at your level is getting fixated on one company and not being able to see what the others are doing. I did it, and I can see people doing it all the time. You tend to get this strange loyalty because they didn't slam the phone down on you. I suppose its human nature.

Anyway, the guys that do best are robots that can pretend to be human at the right times. They are ruthless and calculating -ALWAYS keeping one ear to the ground. That is what is required. These people progress that quickly that not even they can believe it. If you know one try and talk to them as its possible they have a list of twin operators that you have not even ever heard of.

Remember - you have not got the job until you are in the seat logging command and even then there are no guarantees.

As for Cairns... You could get lucky but I think its a place where you need multi to get a job. Knowing the right person helps too.

Best of luck to you

Mr. Hat

[The Bullwinkle]

With 1000 hrs and 100 multi IFR, it might be worth getting in touch with Aero-Tropics. They are based in Cairns, but most of their flying is done in the Torres Strait.

They are a Low Capacity RPT and Charter operator, flying only twins. Partenavia, Islander, Navajo, Baron, Shrike and C-310.

They will require you to be endorsed on at least one type in their fleet.

They are a good company to fly for, and you can average over 800 hrs a year.

[Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower]

second what bullwinkle stated, aerotropics would be the best option, but like everywhere else, you won't get a job over the phone.

Cape York Air, you'd start on a C182 in the torres.

Cape Air Transport, pn68 and pa32.

Barrier Aviation, C207, BN2 and C402.

they are all torres starts

Bob Harris at innisfail was looking for a C206 driver, who knows where that will lead, and he's a great bloke.

with your tt you'll probably not start directly onto a twin exclusively.

[yourdreamin]

Thanks guys
its good to see that a group of pilots are still out there helping the up and commers, and never forget where they came from.

Thanks for all the tips and help

[Lloyd Braun]

yourdreamin

How long until you get on the twins at your current company ? If it will be within say 1 year it may be worth staying.

I have known of a few people who have moved companies due to frustration with not getting onto twin aircraft soon enough and the guy hired to replace them ends up getting 500 multi before they did.

[Aeromentor]

The same rules apply as in sales...

You will usualy far sooner buy off (or employ) some one you know rather than a complete stranger.

The employer will take some one with lesser experience who they know and trust. (even a local refueler employed ahead of the highly experienced B747 Captain)

So do lots of research to find out about the company you ultimately want to work for.

Then find a need you can fill, and supply that need.

[compressor stall]

Basically forget Cairns, there are virtually no single operators there - everything is multi IFR. However the advice above re Aerotropics and the Straits is a good one.

Look for a company in towns like Mount Isa, Port Headland, Kalgoorlie that have a mix of single and twin - with a mining company contract. You'll get in on the Cessna single for a year, then get and endorsement and some ICUS and then bob's your uncle.

Things are slow now with QF and CX slowing the recruiting drain, but in a year it will be as fast a progression as it was 2 years ago. Patience and perseverence.

Good luck.

Edit: Forgot to mention how I got my first twin job. Was working in town scrapping for twin hours with the others. In a "nearby" remote town there was no twin operator and was aware of the possibility of getting work there. Wrote up a business proposal to the boss to take a 402 there and set up a base. Two months later he gave me a chequebook and a 402 and told me to head off and give it a shot!

[goldeneagle]

Here's another one, then, guys. 1500tt, 340 IFR twin. In Mel and want to stay, but will go almost anywhere for that first twin job. Would also really appreciate the advice; keep the stories coming too. Blank cheque sounds interesting - you must have had some trust built up there, CS

[Lloyd Braun]

goldeneagle

With 340 multi IFR you must already have your first twin job. With your hours you are close to regional entry. Stay put I'd say.

[Mr. Hat]

goldeneagle - did you got your 340 in melbourne?

I say you have at least 160 to go.

[Dances_With_Clouds]

Here's yet another one for ya

I'm currently flying round NZ in an light twin, I have about 1600 hrs TT, 750 Multi and 400 night.

I'm looking at moving to Australia to do some real work. Where is the best place to look? Is it worth me making the move?

Any advice much aprreciated.

Cheers

D_W_C

[Ang737]

Dances

My advice would be to stay put unless you have contacts... If your getting multi time over there then why would you move unless its for some turbine time, etc... The chances of that are slim considering there is stuff all movement at the top of the chain

Ang

[Mr. Hat]

Dances there are people over here that would give their left testi to have your hours and in that proportion. You've done extreemly well.

I'd stay put. Its turbine time for you.

[Towering Q]

400 night!

How did you manage that?

I'd give both 'nads for that.

[druglord]

try golden eagle out of port hedland and derby, they just had two senior twin drivers leave.