Alternatives to instructing in NZ
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Alternatives to instructing in NZ
Just curious if there are any. I get the impression that the only way to hour build is to instruct which is not something I could see myself putting 100% into. I guess I subscribe to the theory that you shouldn't instruct if your in it for the wrong reasons.
Is Australia an option (bush flying) or is it tough for Kiwi's
Interested to hear from both sides of the Tassie
Is Australia an option (bush flying) or is it tough for Kiwi's
Interested to hear from both sides of the Tassie
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Yeah.. there are alternatives to instructing in NZ, just don't expect to go anywhere fast without an instructors rating...
It's all about who you know, not what you know. Instructing only makes up a small percentage of my flying time outside of training. The rest has been filled by charter, scenic, parachuting and mainly survey & aerial photography. Although the last two seem harder and harder to get into now...
Australia is an option...
It's all about who you know, not what you know. Instructing only makes up a small percentage of my flying time outside of training. The rest has been filled by charter, scenic, parachuting and mainly survey & aerial photography. Although the last two seem harder and harder to get into now...
Australia is an option...
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Where I am training the instructors do everything - except meat bombing. Their hours are probably 50% scenic stuff, 25% photography/forest inspection, 25% instructing.
PS They have just decriminalised prostitution - probably more money in that!
PS They have just decriminalised prostitution - probably more money in that!
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I agree with Cypher - not always what you know.
Skydiving, banner towing, fire spotting, fish spotting, aerial photography, mustering all use new pilots.
And unlike instructing, YOU actually fly the aircraft. If you do not feel you could do the job justice, probably better to stay clear of it. I did.
Oz is an option. Many Kiwis here. TTMRA means license is fully recognised.
Huge percentage of Ag pilots here are ex NZ.
Some individuals slot right in. Some find it very hard. Seen examples of both. Not always related to experience level.
Good luck Kev2002
Skydiving, banner towing, fire spotting, fish spotting, aerial photography, mustering all use new pilots.
And unlike instructing, YOU actually fly the aircraft. If you do not feel you could do the job justice, probably better to stay clear of it. I did.
Oz is an option. Many Kiwis here. TTMRA means license is fully recognised.
Huge percentage of Ag pilots here are ex NZ.
Some individuals slot right in. Some find it very hard. Seen examples of both. Not always related to experience level.
Good luck Kev2002
Kev ,
There's also Queenstown for a bit scenic flying 172's 206's 207's
they take on newbies but you have to do a mountian flying course see the Wakatipu Aero Club.
Always guys/girls comming and going from there.
There's also Queenstown for a bit scenic flying 172's 206's 207's
they take on newbies but you have to do a mountian flying course see the Wakatipu Aero Club.
Always guys/girls comming and going from there.
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I am quite interested in Queenstown. Any idea about living costs, hourly rates. I am seriously thinking of flying down and saying g'day.
Basically, I hold a CPL/IR and am looking to get out of Auckland (not from Ardmore)
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Finally, assuming I decide on an Instructror rating. Is it possible to gain employment from an establishment if I only do a C-Cat with them?
And before you all think I'm getting lazy by asking q's on this site I am sticking my head into clubs around the country when I get the chance
I am quite interested in Queenstown. Any idea about living costs, hourly rates. I am seriously thinking of flying down and saying g'day.
Basically, I hold a CPL/IR and am looking to get out of Auckland (not from Ardmore)
.Finally, assuming I decide on an Instructror rating. Is it possible to gain employment from an establishment if I only do a C-Cat with them?
And before you all think I'm getting lazy by asking q's on this site I am sticking my head into clubs around the country when I get the chance
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ok, a bit of help for you
lots of C Cats around, dime a dozen, and clubs are very unlikely to promise you a job, and will give the standard, 'we only employ ones we have trained', so you have to suss it out, who might be leaving, new courses, season etc etc
as for flying down queenstown way, be aware of the 50hr local flying requirement, that YOU have to pay for first!
lots of C Cats around, dime a dozen, and clubs are very unlikely to promise you a job, and will give the standard, 'we only employ ones we have trained', so you have to suss it out, who might be leaving, new courses, season etc etc
as for flying down queenstown way, be aware of the 50hr local flying requirement, that YOU have to pay for first!
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Hang in there
I'm not sure why, but try to find a 'B' cat at the moment. They're like rocking horse tihs. The point is, you need to eat while hanging in there, but the jobs start poking their heads up after a time. There's even a subsidized 'A' cat scheme going. The pay is still well below the average wage in the shaky Isles for 'B's, but some one has to make up the bottom bit of the calculation I suppose.
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Alternatives to instructing in NZ
mate,
do yourself a favour......
take out an atlas, try and find NZ, bearing in mind we train the most pilots per capita in the world, then book yourself a ticket....
Look outside the square..
All the best
do yourself a favour......
take out an atlas, try and find NZ, bearing in mind we train the most pilots per capita in the world, then book yourself a ticket....
Look outside the square..
All the best
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I think it's just a matter of getting off your chuff and hunting around the country for a job. However the more quals you've got the easyier it will be, get a C-Cat then go hunting because with out it feeding yourself is going to be hard.
Don't be affraid to look into aviation related jobs (airways, tower and flight data work) this work pays bloody good money for what you do. It also looks good in a c.v. if anybody wants to know more private mail me, I would be happy to send you in the wright direction.
Remember most operators will give the job to the guy/girl who showed up last @ their door bugging them for a job.
Good Luck to all looking for work
Don't be affraid to look into aviation related jobs (airways, tower and flight data work) this work pays bloody good money for what you do. It also looks good in a c.v. if anybody wants to know more private mail me, I would be happy to send you in the wright direction.
Remember most operators will give the job to the guy/girl who showed up last @ their door bugging them for a job.
Good Luck to all looking for work
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there was a job in the waikato times about 10 days ago for a manager at a backpackers in whitianga...pilots licence essential...never mind the flying...imagine the talent!!!...gotta be better than instructing...
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Slightly off the topic....but perhaps you can enlighten me?
I heard today that at a certain tandem parachute company in the middle of the north island (NZ)......pay their pilots by the number of tandem punters they drop...not per flying hour, or per hour at the airport waiting for business, making coffees, helping kit up parachutists, cleaning the loos and floors etc.
Whats more they get paid a wopping NZ$4 per tandem.....great fun that. 30mins to FL130 and back....thanks mate, that'll be worth $12!
Personally I find this entirely offensive, bordering on criminal. Is this level of exploitation of low time pilots normal? Is there are minimum wage in NZ? I bet NZ$4 doesnt even buy you lunch.
Who is this operator? Truely shocking? I am at a loss...........
I heard today that at a certain tandem parachute company in the middle of the north island (NZ)......pay their pilots by the number of tandem punters they drop...not per flying hour, or per hour at the airport waiting for business, making coffees, helping kit up parachutists, cleaning the loos and floors etc.
Whats more they get paid a wopping NZ$4 per tandem.....great fun that. 30mins to FL130 and back....thanks mate, that'll be worth $12!
Personally I find this entirely offensive, bordering on criminal. Is this level of exploitation of low time pilots normal? Is there are minimum wage in NZ? I bet NZ$4 doesnt even buy you lunch.
Who is this operator? Truely shocking? I am at a loss...........
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Think that operator is in vegas, but not 100 % sure.
If you wont do it for $12 a load somebody else will. This is the problem with av in NZ.
In general though meat bombers are looked after.
If you wont do it for $12 a load somebody else will. This is the problem with av in NZ.
In general though meat bombers are looked after.
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jungly..
yeah.. thats standard.. when I was working out of NZRO.. I was paid per flying hour.. you know how many flying hours I did per month?
3-4 average...
and that was at about $15 per flying hour..
so yeah $60 a month!!!!
And I had to live off that!!!!
Children in Africa probably get that off World Vision Sponsorship..
But if you want the hours, the start, and the contacts, you have to endure it, cause if you don't the next guy will...
if you look at it the other way with the Tandems, if it is per tandem, the guy will be up and down like a yo-yo all day.. so over the course of a day, he may do up to 10-20 tandems, depending on how well the place is run and marketed.. even better if he's flying a turbine...
so suddenly $4 per tandem might equate to $40 to $80 a day... sure squat in the scheme of things, but enough to live off and still build those hours..
yeah sure it's not right, but it ain't forever either.. it just feels like it!
yeah.. thats standard.. when I was working out of NZRO.. I was paid per flying hour.. you know how many flying hours I did per month?
3-4 average...
and that was at about $15 per flying hour..
so yeah $60 a month!!!!
And I had to live off that!!!!
Children in Africa probably get that off World Vision Sponsorship..
But if you want the hours, the start, and the contacts, you have to endure it, cause if you don't the next guy will...
if you look at it the other way with the Tandems, if it is per tandem, the guy will be up and down like a yo-yo all day.. so over the course of a day, he may do up to 10-20 tandems, depending on how well the place is run and marketed.. even better if he's flying a turbine...
so suddenly $4 per tandem might equate to $40 to $80 a day... sure squat in the scheme of things, but enough to live off and still build those hours..
yeah sure it's not right, but it ain't forever either.. it just feels like it!
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Heard a particular operator in Whakatane pays his pilots about $25 a DAY!!! Would rather get kicked in the face. If that is not exploitation then I don't know what is.
Anyone care to comment???
Anyone care to comment???
