Handling the Big Jets
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Don't quite see where you are coming from, amos2.
HTBJ is an excellent book. As for the 20 yrs part, maybe we don't see 707 etc anymore, HTBJ is not about EFIS and FMS. It is about gas turbines, upper atmosphere, and very large aeroplane handling. Haven't seen a book that can replace it yet.
Another classic worth digging up is "Fly the Wing." Excellent read for anyone about to do line training on their first jet.
Sorry Wemac, I'll be keeping mine!
HTBJ is an excellent book. As for the 20 yrs part, maybe we don't see 707 etc anymore, HTBJ is not about EFIS and FMS. It is about gas turbines, upper atmosphere, and very large aeroplane handling. Haven't seen a book that can replace it yet.
Another classic worth digging up is "Fly the Wing." Excellent read for anyone about to do line training on their first jet.
Sorry Wemac, I'll be keeping mine!
A timeless tome.
Sure it predates EFIS and a 744, but the features of a/c handling aerodynamics, big jet philosophies (hard to believe they were new once) etc are still very very relevant.
It is a readable accessible book, and I too, will be keeping mine!
Now if only I could track down who has my copy of Rolls Royce's The Jet Engine....PLEASE return it to me.
CS
Sure it predates EFIS and a 744, but the features of a/c handling aerodynamics, big jet philosophies (hard to believe they were new once) etc are still very very relevant.
It is a readable accessible book, and I too, will be keeping mine!
Now if only I could track down who has my copy of Rolls Royce's The Jet Engine....PLEASE return it to me.
CS
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Dear boy, I still think it's the best written and most easily understood primer on the basics of high altitude and haigh speed flight.
Davies himself later agreed that it would have been better if the book had had a different name.
As you know it was written at the time that there were a large number of airline crews transitioning from little piston airliners like the DC7 and Connie to the bigger jets, which the manufacturers themselves were still learning on.
Many were not making it, or having a real hard time doing so.
It is IMHO that very reason, that makes it such a classic, it is coming from ground zero and reveals a large number of the aerodynamic and real handling problems then experienced and now designed or electroniced out.
Davies own unique experience in the test flying and certification process comes through in little pearls of wisdom here 'n there.
I'm sure you're right in that there might be more up to date stuff available but I believe it should be in the ATPL syllabus for the basics.
Now, are the trout rising to the fly yet.
Dear boy, I still think it's the best written and most easily understood primer on the basics of high altitude and haigh speed flight.
Davies himself later agreed that it would have been better if the book had had a different name.
As you know it was written at the time that there were a large number of airline crews transitioning from little piston airliners like the DC7 and Connie to the bigger jets, which the manufacturers themselves were still learning on.
Many were not making it, or having a real hard time doing so.
It is IMHO that very reason, that makes it such a classic, it is coming from ground zero and reveals a large number of the aerodynamic and real handling problems then experienced and now designed or electroniced out.
Davies own unique experience in the test flying and certification process comes through in little pearls of wisdom here 'n there.
I'm sure you're right in that there might be more up to date stuff available but I believe it should be in the ATPL syllabus for the basics.
Now, are the trout rising to the fly yet.
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Ahh thats ok guys. I can see why you are keeping your copies. Just thought I'd be able to find someone that might not want their copy anymore.
But surely someone out there who is flying high, wants to recycle a good book?
But surely someone out there who is flying high, wants to recycle a good book?
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amos 2 you must have retired when they brought out the first B727 to OZ. What was that ? The whispering T Jet ?
IMHO, anyone who has flown jet aircraft (no matter the size) would ever consider Handling the Big Jets to be outdated.
IMHO, anyone who has flown jet aircraft (no matter the size) would ever consider Handling the Big Jets to be outdated.
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That Rolls Royce Book
Is just plain sexy (sorry if I appear sad!). HTBJ is a jolly nice read too. My fave though is Beaty's Naked Pilot - certainly pre-dates CRM and the Tenerife chapter is ever so scary!
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Starring again, amos, as usual! The only one in step, again, eh? Go back to sleep, there's a good chap, you'll catch up with the real world one day, I suppose.
Kind regards,
TheNightOwl.
Kind regards,
TheNightOwl.
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I dug around for my copy of HTBJ, and am afraid I am in the samre situation as CS. I found my copy of Mechanics of flight (10th edition) by A.C.Kermode. I found this a very good book and I found it to be a good read and very relevant (although a tad technical.....but I like that sort of thing)
On the back sleave of my copy (printed in 1990 ) they list the distributor in Australia as being, the
Technical Book Co (Wholesale) Pty. Ltd.
2 Drewery Place,
Melbourne,
Victoria
Their web sight is www.techbooks.com.au and they have copies available for $A 88.75.
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Technical Book Co (Wholesale) Pty. Ltd.
2 Drewery Place,
Melbourne,
Victoria
Their web sight is www.techbooks.com.au and they have copies available for $A 88.75.
Cheers
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No Whiskery...I hadn't retired when the first 727 landed in Mel, as a matter of fact I was on a DC3 intake course!
If I remember correctly it was about May 64' when I was doing Link, that TAA followed by AoA landed at Essendon!
(If I'm wrong I'm sure I'll be corrected)
If my memory serves me correctly TAA used the term 'whispering jet' but not Ansett.
I also think it was about that time that Davies book was available in Oz.
Anyway, not withstanding the sentiment that a lot of pilots have towards the book, does it tell you anything that the Boeing or Airbus manual doesn't in respect to flying a jet?
I don't think so!
But hey!...that's just my opinion...is that ok!?
If I remember correctly it was about May 64' when I was doing Link, that TAA followed by AoA landed at Essendon!
(If I'm wrong I'm sure I'll be corrected)
If my memory serves me correctly TAA used the term 'whispering jet' but not Ansett.
I also think it was about that time that Davies book was available in Oz.
Anyway, not withstanding the sentiment that a lot of pilots have towards the book, does it tell you anything that the Boeing or Airbus manual doesn't in respect to flying a jet?
I don't think so!
But hey!...that's just my opinion...is that ok!?
does it tell you anything that the Boeing or Airbus manual doesn't in respect to flying a jet?
BTW - a prospective pilot cannot head out and buy an airbus or boeing manual easily.
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I have a good 727-200 one here somewhere if anyone wants a cheap one. I cant find anyone that will hire me a 722 so I dont think I will be needing it in the near future.
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I'm on my fourth jet type now and personally I believe that although HTBJ is a little old, I think it is a great introduction for those who are about to start flying jets.
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In my quest to find a book, it looks as though I've created a monster!
Thanks again guys.
Borrowed it off a mate a work, but still would like to put it on my bookshelf!
Thanks again guys.
Borrowed it off a mate a work, but still would like to put it on my bookshelf!
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SORRY WEMAC,
I AGREE WITH MANY OTHERS,HTBJ IS THE ORIGINAL BIBLE OF HIGH LEVEL,SPEED FLIGHT.IT IS GREAT READING INFO FOR TRANSITION ONTO YOUR FIRST JET.
KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN IN THE SECOND HAND BOOK SHOPS THOUGH MATE,THATS WHERE I GOT MINE FROM ,STILL IN EXCELLENT CONDITION FOR AUD $15.
CHEERS
I AGREE WITH MANY OTHERS,HTBJ IS THE ORIGINAL BIBLE OF HIGH LEVEL,SPEED FLIGHT.IT IS GREAT READING INFO FOR TRANSITION ONTO YOUR FIRST JET.
KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN IN THE SECOND HAND BOOK SHOPS THOUGH MATE,THATS WHERE I GOT MINE FROM ,STILL IN EXCELLENT CONDITION FOR AUD $15.
CHEERS
