210's tips and tricks
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Very
very nicely said
a lesson to all those in 210's and for that matter any a/c
done about 2000 hrs in a 210 and enjoyed the a/c and it's performance.
my tip
DON'T fly it like you stole it
use the POH and company SOPS, work at perfecting those and the aircraft will give back what you put in
very nicely said
a lesson to all those in 210's and for that matter any a/c
done about 2000 hrs in a 210 and enjoyed the a/c and it's performance.
my tip
DON'T fly it like you stole it
use the POH and company SOPS, work at perfecting those and the aircraft will give back what you put in
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I bags being in the same retirement home as Frickman and Oneball. Natural selection and luck has got us through the dodgy section of life so I reckon we might make it that far now, and at least we'll have something to talk about when we get there.
Dibs on the red mobility scooter.
Dibs on the red mobility scooter.
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"Dibs on the red mobility scooter."
You... Hooligan!! stunt-pilot!! death-defying idiot!!....Don't you know how many people have died racing around in high performance motor bikes!
Sorry, couldn't help it.
RIDE IT LIKE THE GRAND KIDS PAYED FOR IT!!
You... Hooligan!! stunt-pilot!! death-defying idiot!!....Don't you know how many people have died racing around in high performance motor bikes!
Sorry, couldn't help it.
RIDE IT LIKE THE GRAND KIDS PAYED FOR IT!!
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Sorry maxgrad and mainframe but I disagree. Not that nicely put.
Yes operate the aircraft in accordance with the AFM and POH and respect it like any other aircraft but do not fear it.
You see, stalling a C210 on base (over-shooting final) is nothing to do with any vice of the aircraft, real or imagined. This scenario will take place as a result of the pilot's actions regardless of aircraft type and is a failure of either the pilot's ability or training or both.
I flew the C210 for about 1200 hrs or so and it was my first type after gaining my CPL. I never once came close to inadvertently stalling the aircraft, clean or dirty, and I was no Biggles or Yeager.
You're painting a picture of SeaFury-like go-around characteristics, hidden vices and widow-making sudden death tendencies in a very docile aircraft. Any aircraft can be found to have a nasty tendency somewhere in its envelope if you really try hard enough to find it and kill yourself in it.
I have yet to see even the dumbest baggy-arsed boggy 200hr-CPL decide to show off "in the landing configuration"....!!!! (what would be the point??????)
A go-around at low speed? All go-arounds are made at low speed... then you accelerate. This is a fundamental. If the pilot allows IAS to decay during a turn then it will happen regardless of aircraft type. It's a little unfair to blame this on the 210.
I think using "stunt pilot" and "death-defilers" is a little extreme..... Kind of sounds like WA journalism.
And guys... These days it's the "Segway"...... move with the times!!
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Yes operate the aircraft in accordance with the AFM and POH and respect it like any other aircraft but do not fear it.
You see, stalling a C210 on base (over-shooting final) is nothing to do with any vice of the aircraft, real or imagined. This scenario will take place as a result of the pilot's actions regardless of aircraft type and is a failure of either the pilot's ability or training or both.
I flew the C210 for about 1200 hrs or so and it was my first type after gaining my CPL. I never once came close to inadvertently stalling the aircraft, clean or dirty, and I was no Biggles or Yeager.
You're painting a picture of SeaFury-like go-around characteristics, hidden vices and widow-making sudden death tendencies in a very docile aircraft. Any aircraft can be found to have a nasty tendency somewhere in its envelope if you really try hard enough to find it and kill yourself in it.
I have yet to see even the dumbest baggy-arsed boggy 200hr-CPL decide to show off "in the landing configuration"....!!!! (what would be the point??????)
A go-around at low speed? All go-arounds are made at low speed... then you accelerate. This is a fundamental. If the pilot allows IAS to decay during a turn then it will happen regardless of aircraft type. It's a little unfair to blame this on the 210.
I think using "stunt pilot" and "death-defilers" is a little extreme..... Kind of sounds like WA journalism.
And guys... These days it's the "Segway"...... move with the times!!
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It seems to be a bit like that irritating TV ad about speeding where two falcons "one doing 60, the other doing 65" drive into a truck...The point should be use the steering thingy and don't drive into the truck.
It IS possible to do 65 and not hit a truck.
It IS possible to do 65 and not hit a truck.
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Frickman.................I've been instructing for a few years now, I've done the bush flying etc etc etc.......the rubbish that you have spewed out is tantamount to advice I would think. Somebody will read it, take it as gospel and then try to do it. Prang waiting to happen in my experience. Read oneballs last post.
Have you low flying training ,an aerobatics endorsement on the aircraft concerned?!!,instructors rating with significant experience and so on?
Probably not.
Wake up, stop pretending that your're some sort of skygod....turkey.
Oneball.........nice.
Have you low flying training ,an aerobatics endorsement on the aircraft concerned?!!,instructors rating with significant experience and so on?
Probably not.
Wake up, stop pretending that your're some sort of skygod....turkey.
Oneball.........nice.
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One ball, or whatever you want to call yourself today.
Your experience and comments are interesting.
However, don't assume that everyone or even most people in GA think like you - cos well they don't. Its good to know the limits of your machine and being able to handle it in different situations, but not everyone gets the jollies thinking about or doing the things that you have done.
You may be in the left hand seat now and learned from your experience. But you had quiet a few deliberate flirts with danger that could have so easily gone the wrong way. There is a fine line between promoting stupidity and trying to pass on geniune information.
Your experience and comments are interesting.
However, don't assume that everyone or even most people in GA think like you - cos well they don't. Its good to know the limits of your machine and being able to handle it in different situations, but not everyone gets the jollies thinking about or doing the things that you have done.
You may be in the left hand seat now and learned from your experience. But you had quiet a few deliberate flirts with danger that could have so easily gone the wrong way. There is a fine line between promoting stupidity and trying to pass on geniune information.
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Hi Goatfield, thanks for the reply. I know the names are confusing but I have to renew now and then due to 'difficulties' posting. It is not intentional.
Anyway please feel free to add to my own attempts at passing on "geniune" advice to todays GA Next Generation. Pilots being pilots, many of them will try the same things I tried, just like many before me did.
I lived through it, through luck some of the time, and reckon I know how to avoid some of the dumb things that happened..... so why should I keep advice to myself? Is that your idea of Airmanship? If so, then in view of:
exactly WHICH ONE are you trying to do???
With a little encouragement, I could think of other things that happened to my friends or me back then and enjoy relating the tales, too, but not all of them have happy endings, unlike today's safe, easy Bangkok layover!
But if I take your advice, I'll keep it all to myself and todays fools will make the same mistakes.
I once read (and remember to this day) a crash comic article which may well have saved me from making the very mistake which killed a GA driver in a 172 since I was partial to the same kind of irresponsibility at the time. Maybe we should bin the Crash Comics too........??????
A resounding
to you.............
Anyway please feel free to add to my own attempts at passing on "geniune" advice to todays GA Next Generation. Pilots being pilots, many of them will try the same things I tried, just like many before me did.
I lived through it, through luck some of the time, and reckon I know how to avoid some of the dumb things that happened..... so why should I keep advice to myself? Is that your idea of Airmanship? If so, then in view of:
There is a fine line between promoting stupidity and trying to pass on geniune information
With a little encouragement, I could think of other things that happened to my friends or me back then and enjoy relating the tales, too, but not all of them have happy endings, unlike today's safe, easy Bangkok layover!
But if I take your advice, I'll keep it all to myself and todays fools will make the same mistakes.
I once read (and remember to this day) a crash comic article which may well have saved me from making the very mistake which killed a GA driver in a 172 since I was partial to the same kind of irresponsibility at the time. Maybe we should bin the Crash Comics too........??????
A resounding
to you.............
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Oneball,
I didn't give you any advice, just made a statement.
Besides, I hardly think you would take advice from the likes of me
And yes your later comments have definitely been worthwhile.
I didn't give you any advice, just made a statement.
Besides, I hardly think you would take advice from the likes of me
And yes your later comments have definitely been worthwhile.
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bigfella5,
If you read my posts you'd see that I'm all for safety. Safety
and a spirit of adventure are not mutually exclusive.
Firstly, I'VE NEVER DONE AEROBATICS IN A NON AEROBATIC AIRCRAFT.
Secondly, neither you nor anybody else will stop pilots from doing beat ups and the more that you demonise the activity the more attractive it becomes.
I've advocated that pilots plan and think before proceeding, that pilots know everything about the handling characteristics of their aircraft and to thoroughly know their operating environment. This is hardly a cavalier attitude.
If my posts pursuade a pilot to plan and think before proceeding. To think about high terrain/low terrain and escape routes. To think about the many variables and when to trigger an abort. Then better for it.
My posts were not meant to be sanctimonious, but surely you can't really believe that to fly down a level RUNWAY (after considering the above) requires an aerobatic endorsement, a low level rating and (wait for it) an "INSTRUCTOR RATING WITH CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE".
If you read my posts you'd see that I'm all for safety. Safety
and a spirit of adventure are not mutually exclusive.
Firstly, I'VE NEVER DONE AEROBATICS IN A NON AEROBATIC AIRCRAFT.
Secondly, neither you nor anybody else will stop pilots from doing beat ups and the more that you demonise the activity the more attractive it becomes.
I've advocated that pilots plan and think before proceeding, that pilots know everything about the handling characteristics of their aircraft and to thoroughly know their operating environment. This is hardly a cavalier attitude.
If my posts pursuade a pilot to plan and think before proceeding. To think about high terrain/low terrain and escape routes. To think about the many variables and when to trigger an abort. Then better for it.
My posts were not meant to be sanctimonious, but surely you can't really believe that to fly down a level RUNWAY (after considering the above) requires an aerobatic endorsement, a low level rating and (wait for it) an "INSTRUCTOR RATING WITH CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE".
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A cessna 210 is exactly like a C152, but different. Rather than being as small as a 152 the 210 is much bigger. It's a little bit more roomy than a 152 and has a bigger donk. Otherwise an aeroplane is an aeroplane, has wings and wheels, they all fly the same and a helicopter is not. When 1 aileron goes up the other goes down, so in that sense a 210 is exactly like a 747, or the new airbus A380.
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(A cessna 210 is exactly like a C152)
I think most would rather carry my native brothers and sisters around in the old c210 due to it's better turttle an weed loading capacity.
But the only advice other than the normal engine handling and loading stuff is don't take your hand off the gear leaver untill you no the gear is up and the gear motor has turned off and same goes with selecting dwn. had that problem more than once
I think most would rather carry my native brothers and sisters around in the old c210 due to it's better turttle an weed loading capacity.
But the only advice other than the normal engine handling and loading stuff is don't take your hand off the gear leaver untill you no the gear is up and the gear motor has turned off and same goes with selecting dwn. had that problem more than once
