Women in Aviation???
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Women in Aviation???
My question to you all is where do women in this industry stand? It seems many GA operators aren't that fond of the furry logbook. Some operators have an unofficial "No chicks policy" ~ is this founded?
I have to say the pilot I regard as the best overall is a woman. I was fortunate enough to employ her yrs back, carry out a few endorsements, CIR renewals, be endorsed on aircraft by her, supervise her as an instructor and she flew with me as an F/O.
She is now a captain on bigger newer and faster aircraft than I and I bet she is doing it exceptionally well.
On the other hand I have the misfortune of flying with some of the worst, I would never employ them, doubt whether they would prove themselves competent to achieve an endorsement or pass a CIR, and as for instructing, I feel for the pilots who are trained by them. They are the ones who p[;ossibly have a few stamps in the "furry logbook".
No different to men just have to sort out the good from the bad in the interview process.
She is now a captain on bigger newer and faster aircraft than I and I bet she is doing it exceptionally well.
On the other hand I have the misfortune of flying with some of the worst, I would never employ them, doubt whether they would prove themselves competent to achieve an endorsement or pass a CIR, and as for instructing, I feel for the pilots who are trained by them. They are the ones who p[;ossibly have a few stamps in the "furry logbook".
No different to men just have to sort out the good from the bad in the interview process.
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Danger zone...
The laws of liable and the potential for litigation ensures that I tender my comments cautiously, however:-
I have found 1 female pilot over the years that has worked out. She was brilliant! Apart from that well er um er um er um I take the fith ammendment...
Can't help myself... The general public seem to like female pilots, and I must say that it is good to have female pilots in the working environment, like anything though it is the quality of pilot that counts. Gender is not an issue...
I have found 1 female pilot over the years that has worked out. She was brilliant! Apart from that well er um er um er um I take the fith ammendment...
Can't help myself... The general public seem to like female pilots, and I must say that it is good to have female pilots in the working environment, like anything though it is the quality of pilot that counts. Gender is not an issue...
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This topic is fraught with danger.....Bit like skipping through a minefield.
I was actually taught through the PPL by a female instructor, who was:
1. A great instructor
2. A good friend
3. A lady.
The individual in question is now an FO for a major airline!
Abilty and talent as HA said is the key.....
And I must have learned something from her as Im still here.
Id hate to see the days when quotas replace ability as the norm....
For the rest of the girls Ive met, some have been great aviators and great PEOPLE. Some didn't need to be able to fly except maybe undo one......
But then again its really the individual. It certainly aint brain power that seperates the sexes, maybe a little physical strength and endurance...For those jobs requiring physical prowess a bloke will generally be better..
And I so advise...
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I have met some great female pilot
and I have met some "GREAT" female pilots
That said why did a female pilot land wheels up three times in different aircraft and still keep her job??
and I have met some "GREAT" female pilots
That said why did a female pilot land wheels up three times in different aircraft and still keep her job??
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Its a bit like asking 'are short pilots better than tall pilots?' All depends on the person. I guess as women are a minority in aviation it is easier to judge them.
My first instructor was a lady who was brilliant, but ive also seen some shockers. Again, all depends on the person
My first instructor was a lady who was brilliant, but ive also seen some shockers. Again, all depends on the person
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My initial instructor was a female, the one that did my CSU retract was a female and the one that did my second twin endo was a female, all very good instructors and very nice people. I have a friend that owns a flying school and another one that had a PPL when I started flying that now drives twin turbines and yet another one that had a basic CPL about the time I got mine that is now driving twin turbines. one of my lecturers at collage was (and is) a very competant and knowladgable examiner of airmen. Out of all these people, only one has been silly enough to eat those very colourful earplugs thinking they were lollies provided by the company. but she made up for that by wearing the nicest tee shirts in class when we were studying (although it did make study hard).
I only know of one woman (that I know) has used the hairy logbook to advance her career (and she was a looker, I would have gladly employed her).
It is totally dependent on the person not the persons sex, I have met, by far, more silly blokes in this game that women, any way you wanna work the ratio.
but she made up for that by wearing the nicest tee shirts in class when we were studying (although it did make study hard).I only know of one woman (that I know) has used the hairy logbook to advance her career (and she was a looker, I would have gladly employed her).
It is totally dependent on the person not the persons sex, I have met, by far, more silly blokes in this game that women, any way you wanna work the ratio.
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mmmm. so someone explain to me how a "female pilot" landed a job in Mount Isa with a straight CPL & MECIR. Couldn't have had more than 200TT.
now flying PIC in a C206 and F/O on their Bandit.
everyone I know that visited said company was told 1000 to 1500TT.
I am SURE it was based on her ability.
bring on the minefield......
now flying PIC in a C206 and F/O on their Bandit.
everyone I know that visited said company was told 1000 to 1500TT.
I am SURE it was based on her ability.
bring on the minefield......
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Well said Suspicious.
I also heard about this low time female in Mount Isa.
Way back in about 1988 I missed out on a job. The job was given to a female by the chief pilot who was trying to get down "her pants". So I heard from other company pilots.
I was ready for an immediate start however they gave me the usual "not enough hours for insurance" bull.
This female had similar hours to me and did not even have her dangerous goods. She was told the job is her once if she can get her dangerous goods certificate over the weekend.
I already had a current dangerous good certificate
About that time I also came across another very manipulative female pilot who had gone out with a few senior pilots in her time to rapidly progress her career.
Some people employ "furry resumes" whilst some women use a "furry resume to get a job".
Not all employers/females are so corrupt but unfortunately it does happen occasionally.
I also heard about this low time female in Mount Isa.
Way back in about 1988 I missed out on a job. The job was given to a female by the chief pilot who was trying to get down "her pants". So I heard from other company pilots.
I was ready for an immediate start however they gave me the usual "not enough hours for insurance" bull.
This female had similar hours to me and did not even have her dangerous goods. She was told the job is her once if she can get her dangerous goods certificate over the weekend.
I already had a current dangerous good certificate
About that time I also came across another very manipulative female pilot who had gone out with a few senior pilots in her time to rapidly progress her career.
Some people employ "furry resumes" whilst some women use a "furry resume to get a job".
Not all employers/females are so corrupt but unfortunately it does happen occasionally.
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a fury (perhaps furious) one or a furry (careless with the grooming) one?
one or a furry (careless with the grooming) one?
So HA, how is your latest female pilot going?
Looks like I may have been misinformed - had heard a certain female pilot working in BRM last year had landed a job with NAC? I guess you would know!
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Funny thing about a woman willing to further her career using the furry logbook.It takes an employer who is (Let us say) willing to inspect this type of log book for a woman to gain any advantage.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am quite sure that 99.9% of these employers would be male.Just an observation, but it goes to show that men do get to take advantage of the furry log book and are just as guilty of perpetuating this type of behaviour.
To the .1% of you employerina's out there,all I can say is You GO Girlfriend.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am quite sure that 99.9% of these employers would be male.Just an observation, but it goes to show that men do get to take advantage of the furry log book and are just as guilty of perpetuating this type of behaviour.
To the .1% of you employerina's out there,all I can say is You GO Girlfriend.
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When I saw the Thread Title, I was kinda hoping it would be about the positive contribution women make to aviation.
I got into trouble in a recent thread by bringing up WW2, but if it weren't for all of those young women ferry pilots, delivering everything from Spitfires, Lancasters, B17, etc, often solo from the factory or overseas, things would've taken a whole lot longer as the men were being consumed at a prodigious rate.
And that's just one example.
But I digress,
What Big Jan say's,
IMHO just about sums it up.
If you are breaking your neck to work for suchlike or feel dissappointed because you couldn't get the "advantage" yourself in that manner, may I suggest that you are either in the wrong profession or looking for work in the wrong places.
Ask your mum, wife or girlfriend what she would think about such an employer??
Even more important still, how your work colleagues would feel about it.
I have never ever seen a situation like that, which was not ultimately destructive to the people involved.
I got into trouble in a recent thread by bringing up WW2, but if it weren't for all of those young women ferry pilots, delivering everything from Spitfires, Lancasters, B17, etc, often solo from the factory or overseas, things would've taken a whole lot longer as the men were being consumed at a prodigious rate.
And that's just one example.
But I digress,
What Big Jan say's,
Funny thing about a woman willing to further her career using the furry logbook.It takes an employer who is (Let us say) willing to inspect this type of log book for a woman to gain any advantage.
If you are breaking your neck to work for suchlike or feel dissappointed because you couldn't get the "advantage" yourself in that manner, may I suggest that you are either in the wrong profession or looking for work in the wrong places.
Ask your mum, wife or girlfriend what she would think about such an employer??
Even more important still, how your work colleagues would feel about it.
I have never ever seen a situation like that, which was not ultimately destructive to the people involved.
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PLEASE NOTE: The following comment is purely for entertainment value (sic) and will be denied if ever asked.
My boss recently told me that he will "NEVER hire another woman pilot".
My boss recently told me that he will "NEVER hire another woman pilot".
