DAPs Vs Jepps
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From: Qld, Formerly N.T. Australia
DAPs Vs Jepps
Just conemplating "upgrading" from the Aip Daps to the Jeppesson version. Basically, the further up the chain you go the more likely you are to need the international plates,
but are they any better?
Cost?
Space?
Simplicity?
nutritional value...
Any thoughts or ideas as to where one can get a cheap set are welcome.
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cheers to all.
but are they any better?
Cost?
Space?
Simplicity?
nutritional value...
Any thoughts or ideas as to where one can get a cheap set are welcome.
[email protected]
cheers to all.
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Am contemplating the same. The only reason I haven't switched to Jepps earlier was because of the cost (don't expect much change from $700 for an initial issue). I use the company set at the moment, because my employer requires it - but a set of my own would be nice. Are they better than the AirServices products? I don't think so, but nor are they worse either - just different.
If someone were using them for the purpose of passing an exam (e.g. IREX or ATPL), I'd stay with the local product - as they are the preferred variety in CASA's eyes. On the other hand, if you've already got all necessary subjects in hand, and you have money to burn - go Jepps. It could be argued that they are in fact the industry standard, because so many regional and major airlines (both in Oz and worldwide) use them. It's worth noting that one of the questions on the Virgin Blue Application actually asks whether or not you have a set of Jepps. Food for thought...
If someone were using them for the purpose of passing an exam (e.g. IREX or ATPL), I'd stay with the local product - as they are the preferred variety in CASA's eyes. On the other hand, if you've already got all necessary subjects in hand, and you have money to burn - go Jepps. It could be argued that they are in fact the industry standard, because so many regional and major airlines (both in Oz and worldwide) use them. It's worth noting that one of the questions on the Virgin Blue Application actually asks whether or not you have a set of Jepps. Food for thought...
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From: Land of Oz
Gumaark
I did see a post the other day selling a set of leather bound jeps - 2 2inch binders and 1 1inch binder, but I can't find the post. I seem to be incompetent on the search thingy. You just need to purchase the amendment service (about $284.03/yr
- just had a look at my invoice).
Good luck
I did see a post the other day selling a set of leather bound jeps - 2 2inch binders and 1 1inch binder, but I can't find the post. I seem to be incompetent on the search thingy. You just need to purchase the amendment service (about $284.03/yr
- just had a look at my invoice).Good luck
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From: Permanently lost
As a suggestion, a friend of mine purchased a set of Jepps from one of the aviation colleges. I think from the one in Tamworth.
They have a number of Asian students who purchase them for their course and then sell them when they have finished.
Worth giving them a call.
They have a number of Asian students who purchase them for their course and then sell them when they have finished.
Worth giving them a call.
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From: Australia
Yes good advice PL. I bought mine off a bloke who had just got into QF. He said "look $100 for the set and they are up to date" 
. What does the Airservices amendment cost for AIP and DAPS?
The good thing about Jepps is that if you go overseas you can just order thru the service for the country you are going to and you will be already familiar with the format.
. What does the Airservices amendment cost for AIP and DAPS?The good thing about Jepps is that if you go overseas you can just order thru the service for the country you are going to and you will be already familiar with the format.
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From: ...deep fine leg
I prefer Jeps however, if you are studying for IREX or are in the process of aquiring initial MECIR, I would recommend the local product.
Most of the text books I used constantly referred to sections in the AIP, very frustrating trying to find the corresponding section in Jeps.
If you want to swap over to Jeps later, don't get too familiar with the DAPS. Once you become used to one layout, it's difficult to swap to another.
Most of the text books I used constantly referred to sections in the AIP, very frustrating trying to find the corresponding section in Jeps.
If you want to swap over to Jeps later, don't get too familiar with the DAPS. Once you become used to one layout, it's difficult to swap to another.
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From: Bai, mi go long hap na kisim sampla samting.
I found when flying overseas, the jeps were very valuable assets.
I had never used them before but am a convert now, all the info was very easy to use and very up to date, although some of the local procedures were a bit suss and I had a few problems with international field ident codes being wrong.
I had never used them before but am a convert now, all the info was very easy to use and very up to date, although some of the local procedures were a bit suss and I had a few problems with international field ident codes being wrong.
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From: Camden, NSW, Australia
The AIP DAPs have a full checklist at every amendment.
The Jeppeson DAPs do not.
I flew with a pilot today that had a ILS plate 8 month out of date and did not know it. Aparently if you have any plates missing you need to send the annual checklist back to Jeppesen advising them of what you require.
If Jeppesen would include a full checklist with every issue, perhaps it would be a better product.
The Jeppeson DAPs do not.
I flew with a pilot today that had a ILS plate 8 month out of date and did not know it. Aparently if you have any plates missing you need to send the annual checklist back to Jeppesen advising them of what you require.
If Jeppesen would include a full checklist with every issue, perhaps it would be a better product.
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I don't think it's terribly difficult to swap between different distributions. A bit odd at first though.
I've used DAPs, Oz Jepps, USA's homegrown things (can't think what they're called. NOA?) & UK's Aerads.
Of them all, I prefer the DAPs & NOA's method of binding ie a flip over top hinge. I detest the Jepp's & Aerad's binder. Both are similar.
My favourite organisations of plates is the old Oz TMA & IAL distribution.
Aerad's are my least favourite in terms of information displayed on the plate. Until relatively recently they didn't put the MDA/DH on the plate. You had to turn to another page to find it. Even that was a relatively new idea and previously you had to calculate the minimum yourself.
I've used DAPs, Oz Jepps, USA's homegrown things (can't think what they're called. NOA?) & UK's Aerads.
Of them all, I prefer the DAPs & NOA's method of binding ie a flip over top hinge. I detest the Jepp's & Aerad's binder. Both are similar.
My favourite organisations of plates is the old Oz TMA & IAL distribution.
Aerad's are my least favourite in terms of information displayed on the plate. Until relatively recently they didn't put the MDA/DH on the plate. You had to turn to another page to find it. Even that was a relatively new idea and previously you had to calculate the minimum yourself.
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From: I been around
Jepps are the go....
I have done my training, irex exam and some flying all on jepps and have found them to be so much easier and functional especially whilst flying. I trialed daps on a few occasions and found them to be adequate but not quite as good. Perhaps this is due to the fact that i am now used to jepps, but I definately prefer the jepps anyway...
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From: Australia
A full checklist for Jeppesen charts is now available from their web site. All you need is your Jeppesen customer number to access it.
The checklist is valid for the current revision cycle (updated every 2 weeks)
I've had no trouble getting replacement charts from jeppesen in australia within a few days. They will even fax them if you need them in a hurry.
Bevan..
The checklist is valid for the current revision cycle (updated every 2 weeks)
I've had no trouble getting replacement charts from jeppesen in australia within a few days. They will even fax them if you need them in a hurry.
Bevan..
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From: Australia
Jepps by far are a better product.
Their service down in Dandenong (run by Geoff Brown) is fantastic. If you need any charts, local or OS they are more than happy to oblige.
I've been using (Oz) Jepps since they first came in (1991 from memory) and would never go back.
Their service down in Dandenong (run by Geoff Brown) is fantastic. If you need any charts, local or OS they are more than happy to oblige.
I've been using (Oz) Jepps since they first came in (1991 from memory) and would never go back.
