Myocarditis/Pericarditis
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The whole Myocarditis thing came up early during the COVID pandemic. It was found during some investigations of university student athletes that felt continuously tired after COVID (many before vaccines were a thing) or the vaccines (later in the pandemic). Something that was tried anew was using MRI to image the heart, and yes they found inflammation primarily caused by COVID itself. This had not been really studied to this depth before so it sounded quite shocking that a viral infection was affecting the heart in such a way. It was not long after however that they also found that a lot of infections, including Flu can also cause the same. It goes without saying that if the virus itself triggers this, then the vaccines may also trigger it, although there may be ways around this. Somehow, through the village idiots this was turned into the story that the vaccines were causing this alone, omitting the vital part that it is common in viral infections (including Flu and cold). I think the rates for Myocarditis at present are 1-5% (1-5 in 100) for viral infections, depending on virus and patient details and about 1 in 20,000 for vaccine related Myocarditis. Showing that you are at far higher risk of developing Myocarditis from a virus rather than it's vaccine. Its also good to remember that Myocarditis sounds bad, but in most cases its very mild and is gone in about a week, just don't do anything to overly stress the heart while it's occurring, although most times we wouldn't even know it's happening, unless its a moderate to severe case. You'd have to get testing done to diagnose it, and then there is not much that can be done but rest.
As for CASA/AvMed reaction to this, I reckon like all heart related stuff, once you are diagnosed they want to know how it's affecting you, symptoms and risks, that will determine if you are grounded. Long term affects will depend on severity and testing will show what heart function has been damaged or lost, similar to a heart attack. If it's mild then I doubt they'd even care to know.
Unfortunately you'd have to see professionals to diagnose such condition, that is a required part of medical disclosure, so yes it is a requirement to tell AvMed you have seen a cardiologist for a condition and provide information. As many have said, if it's mild and your professionals think not much of it, maybe it's not worth time and effort disclosing.
If you got Myocarditis from a vaccine, then follow your doctors advice, which will probably be don't take that type of vaccine again, however you will most likely be vulnerable to the same condition from the actual virus as well, so take extra precautions not to get it.
PS, I had a bad reaction to Moderna, which apparently is more common than others, whereas the Pfizer vaccine I had previously really didn't do much other than some arm soreness. I also have a heart condition so have had significant testing of that area of my body, including a few MRIs, not many people have actual 3d imaging of their heart, so I was on the list of the first to get the vaccine and have had it most years since.
As for CASA/AvMed reaction to this, I reckon like all heart related stuff, once you are diagnosed they want to know how it's affecting you, symptoms and risks, that will determine if you are grounded. Long term affects will depend on severity and testing will show what heart function has been damaged or lost, similar to a heart attack. If it's mild then I doubt they'd even care to know.
Unfortunately you'd have to see professionals to diagnose such condition, that is a required part of medical disclosure, so yes it is a requirement to tell AvMed you have seen a cardiologist for a condition and provide information. As many have said, if it's mild and your professionals think not much of it, maybe it's not worth time and effort disclosing.
If you got Myocarditis from a vaccine, then follow your doctors advice, which will probably be don't take that type of vaccine again, however you will most likely be vulnerable to the same condition from the actual virus as well, so take extra precautions not to get it.
PS, I had a bad reaction to Moderna, which apparently is more common than others, whereas the Pfizer vaccine I had previously really didn't do much other than some arm soreness. I also have a heart condition so have had significant testing of that area of my body, including a few MRIs, not many people have actual 3d imaging of their heart, so I was on the list of the first to get the vaccine and have had it most years since.
Last edited by 43Inches; 28th September 2025 at 00:36.
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The whole Myocarditis thing came up early during the COVID pandemic. It was found during some investigations of university student athletes that felt continuously tired after COVID (many before vaccines were a thing) or the vaccines (later in the pandemic). Something that was tried anew was using MRI to image the heart, and yes they found inflammation primarily caused by COVID itself. This had not been really studied to this depth before so it sounded quite shocking that a viral infection was affecting the heart in such a way. It was not long after however that they also found that a lot of infections, including Flu can also cause the same. It goes without saying that if the virus itself triggers this, then the vaccines may also trigger it, although there may be ways around this. Somehow, through the village idiots this was turned into the story that the vaccines were causing this alone, omitting the vital part that it is common in viral infections (including Flu and cold). I think the rates for Myocarditis at present are 1-5% (1-5 in 100) for viral infections, depending on virus and patient details and about 1 in 20,000 for vaccine related Myocarditis. Showing that you are at far higher risk of developing Myocarditis from a virus rather than it's vaccine. Its also good to remember that Myocarditis sounds bad, but in most cases its very mild and is gone in about a week, just don't do anything to overly stress the heart while it's occurring, although most times we wouldn't even know it's happening, unless its a moderate to severe case. You'd have to get testing done to diagnose it, and then there is not much that can be done but rest.
As for CASA/AvMed reaction to this, I reckon like all heart related stuff, once you are diagnosed they want to know how it's affecting you, symptoms and risks, that will determine if you are grounded. Long term affects will depend on severity and testing will show what heart function has been damaged or lost, similar to a heart attack. If it's mild then I doubt they'd even care to know.
Unfortunately you'd have to see professionals to diagnose such condition, that is a required part of medical disclosure, so yes it is a requirement to tell AvMed you have seen a cardiologist for a condition and provide information. As many have said, if it's mild and your professionals think not much of it, maybe it's not worth time and effort disclosing.
If you got Myocarditis from a vaccine, then follow your doctors advice, which will probably be don't take that type of vaccine again, however you will most likely be vulnerable to the same condition from the actual virus as well, so take extra precautions not to get it.
PS, I had a bad reaction to Moderna, which apparently is more common than others, whereas the Pfizer vaccine I had previously really didn't do much other than some arm soreness. I also have a heart condition so have had significant testing of that area of my body, including a few MRIs, not many people have actual 3d imaging of their heart, so I was on the list of the first to get the vaccine and have had it most years since.
As for CASA/AvMed reaction to this, I reckon like all heart related stuff, once you are diagnosed they want to know how it's affecting you, symptoms and risks, that will determine if you are grounded. Long term affects will depend on severity and testing will show what heart function has been damaged or lost, similar to a heart attack. If it's mild then I doubt they'd even care to know.
Unfortunately you'd have to see professionals to diagnose such condition, that is a required part of medical disclosure, so yes it is a requirement to tell AvMed you have seen a cardiologist for a condition and provide information. As many have said, if it's mild and your professionals think not much of it, maybe it's not worth time and effort disclosing.
If you got Myocarditis from a vaccine, then follow your doctors advice, which will probably be don't take that type of vaccine again, however you will most likely be vulnerable to the same condition from the actual virus as well, so take extra precautions not to get it.
PS, I had a bad reaction to Moderna, which apparently is more common than others, whereas the Pfizer vaccine I had previously really didn't do much other than some arm soreness. I also have a heart condition so have had significant testing of that area of my body, including a few MRIs, not many people have actual 3d imaging of their heart, so I was on the list of the first to get the vaccine and have had it most years since.
Rest of sentance here - nothing like double dipping.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9743686/
FDA new warning is from memory 1 in 37,000 of getting Myocarditis from the vaccine & reduced availability below 65 & 50 years of age. Given Australia has a few less than 37,000 pilots, it is interesting they seem over represented in this little thread.
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"Our results demonstrate that the incidence rate of myocarditis among survivors of COVID-19 is?"
Rest of sentance here - nothing like double dipping.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9743686/
FDA new warning is from memory 1 in 37,000 of getting Myocarditis from the vaccine & reduced availability below 65 & 50 years of age. Given Australia has a few less than 37,000 pilots, it is interesting they seem over represented in this little thread.
Rest of sentance here - nothing like double dipping.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9743686/
FDA new warning is from memory 1 in 37,000 of getting Myocarditis from the vaccine & reduced availability below 65 & 50 years of age. Given Australia has a few less than 37,000 pilots, it is interesting they seem over represented in this little thread.
Also the data shows that symptomatic Myocarditis is more likely in fit younger adult males and not very prevelent in women, or outside that group.
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The whole Myocarditis thing came up early during the COVID pandemic. It was found during some investigations of university student athletes that felt continuously tired after COVID (many before vaccines were a thing) or the vaccines (later in the pandemic). Something that was tried anew was using MRI to image the heart, and yes they found inflammation primarily caused by COVID itself. This had not been really studied to this depth before so it sounded quite shocking that a viral infection was affecting the heart in such a way. It was not long after however that they also found that a lot of infections, including Flu can also cause the same. It goes without saying that if the virus itself triggers this, then the vaccines may also trigger it, although there may be ways around this. Somehow, through the village idiots this was turned into the story that the vaccines were causing this alone, omitting the vital part that it is common in viral infections (including Flu and cold). I think the rates for Myocarditis at present are 1-5% (1-5 in 100) for viral infections, depending on virus and patient details and about 1 in 20,000 for vaccine related Myocarditis. Showing that you are at far higher risk of developing Myocarditis from a virus rather than it's vaccine. Its also good to remember that Myocarditis sounds bad, but in most cases its very mild and is gone in about a week, just don't do anything to overly stress the heart while it's occurring, although most times we wouldn't even know it's happening, unless its a moderate to severe case. You'd have to get testing done to diagnose it, and then there is not much that can be done but rest.
As for CASA/AvMed reaction to this, I reckon like all heart related stuff, once you are diagnosed they want to know how it's affecting you, symptoms and risks, that will determine if you are grounded. Long term affects will depend on severity and testing will show what heart function has been damaged or lost, similar to a heart attack. If it's mild then I doubt they'd even care to know.
Unfortunately you'd have to see professionals to diagnose such condition, that is a required part of medical disclosure, so yes it is a requirement to tell AvMed you have seen a cardiologist for a condition and provide information. As many have said, if it's mild and your professionals think not much of it, maybe it's not worth time and effort disclosing.
If you got Myocarditis from a vaccine, then follow your doctors advice, which will probably be don't take that type of vaccine again, however you will most likely be vulnerable to the same condition from the actual virus as well, so take extra precautions not to get it.
PS, I had a bad reaction to Moderna, which apparently is more common than others, whereas the Pfizer vaccine I had previously really didn't do much other than some arm soreness. I also have a heart condition so have had significant testing of that area of my body, including a few MRIs, not many people have actual 3d imaging of their heart, so I was on the list of the first to get the vaccine and have had it most years since.
As for CASA/AvMed reaction to this, I reckon like all heart related stuff, once you are diagnosed they want to know how it's affecting you, symptoms and risks, that will determine if you are grounded. Long term affects will depend on severity and testing will show what heart function has been damaged or lost, similar to a heart attack. If it's mild then I doubt they'd even care to know.
Unfortunately you'd have to see professionals to diagnose such condition, that is a required part of medical disclosure, so yes it is a requirement to tell AvMed you have seen a cardiologist for a condition and provide information. As many have said, if it's mild and your professionals think not much of it, maybe it's not worth time and effort disclosing.
If you got Myocarditis from a vaccine, then follow your doctors advice, which will probably be don't take that type of vaccine again, however you will most likely be vulnerable to the same condition from the actual virus as well, so take extra precautions not to get it.
PS, I had a bad reaction to Moderna, which apparently is more common than others, whereas the Pfizer vaccine I had previously really didn't do much other than some arm soreness. I also have a heart condition so have had significant testing of that area of my body, including a few MRIs, not many people have actual 3d imaging of their heart, so I was on the list of the first to get the vaccine and have had it most years since.
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PS, I had a bad reaction to Moderna, which apparently is more common than others, whereas the Pfizer vaccine I had previously really didn't do much other than some arm soreness. I also have a heart condition so have had significant testing of that area of my body, including a few MRIs, not many people have actual 3d imaging of their heart, so I was on the list of the first to get the vaccine and have had it most years since.
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I'm all for more medicine, its extended my life now by about 40 years since the first time I almost died and was brought back by a team of doctors, and almost ten years since the second event that almost killed me. If my medical team says its good for me, I'm happy to follow their advice. And having been through such events you meet many others that have survived the same, and would have died had they not had both surgical and medicinal intervention, some of it considered 'experimental'. I mean I'm quite happy for others to make their own decision as well, the planet is getting overpopulated, so some do need to die, and better for them to volunteer for it. Out of the hundreds I know personally that survived life threatening events using modern medicine I only know one that died during the process due to mal-practice. I actually know a few that have died from completely preventable diseases because they didn't follow widely available advice, and some of those quite horribly.
So in short, why would I not trust my doctors, they haven't failed me yet. You will have some big decisions to make if you suffer a heart attack, as automatically you might be part of a trial without knowing it, they test new drugs and other treatments to try to improve survival rates all the time. The older drugs they use are known to cause some damage to heart tissue while stabilizing you, the newer ones are supposed to be better in that regard. Or you can refuse treatment and see if the heart attack just 'goes away', I mean you could does up some aspirin or other herbal blood thinner to delay the heart attack to a later time, maybe, if the blockage is not too gunked up and heart tissue not too damaged.
BTW we have reactions to stuff all the time. I did not die from the Moderna shot, but its clear it did not agree with my physiology, so I wont be taking that again. I've gone through this with other medicines, you try a course, if it doesn't agree with you, try another, some things will try to kill people with certain differences, so that's always a risk, but its much less risk than a child trying a peanut for the first time....
So in short, why would I not trust my doctors, they haven't failed me yet. You will have some big decisions to make if you suffer a heart attack, as automatically you might be part of a trial without knowing it, they test new drugs and other treatments to try to improve survival rates all the time. The older drugs they use are known to cause some damage to heart tissue while stabilizing you, the newer ones are supposed to be better in that regard. Or you can refuse treatment and see if the heart attack just 'goes away', I mean you could does up some aspirin or other herbal blood thinner to delay the heart attack to a later time, maybe, if the blockage is not too gunked up and heart tissue not too damaged.
BTW we have reactions to stuff all the time. I did not die from the Moderna shot, but its clear it did not agree with my physiology, so I wont be taking that again. I've gone through this with other medicines, you try a course, if it doesn't agree with you, try another, some things will try to kill people with certain differences, so that's always a risk, but its much less risk than a child trying a peanut for the first time....
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[QUOTE=Rataxes; actions and decisions have consequences.[/QUOTE]
That was meaning lossing your job was fine!
The chance of getting Myocarditis (from the vaccine) is about the same rate as getting 5 of the 6 numbers in the weekend lotto - in the small group that have read this we have 2 lotto winners & 1 won it twice!
The official rate of death from vaccine in Australia is about 1 in 1.5 million people that got vaccinated - Your lotto chances are 1 in 8 million.
As 43inches indicated "Young Fit Males" died/heart issues in large numbers & should never have been forced to be vaccinated.
That was meaning lossing your job was fine!
The chance of getting Myocarditis (from the vaccine) is about the same rate as getting 5 of the 6 numbers in the weekend lotto - in the small group that have read this we have 2 lotto winners & 1 won it twice!
The official rate of death from vaccine in Australia is about 1 in 1.5 million people that got vaccinated - Your lotto chances are 1 in 8 million.
As 43inches indicated "Young Fit Males" died/heart issues in large numbers & should never have been forced to be vaccinated.
