Which twin rating is the most beneficial???
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Which twin rating is the most beneficial???
Looking at getting a twin rating and would like to know which one would make me the most employable.
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MU-2, if any prospective employer sees your resume with that on it, they will give you a job out of sympathy....
BTW, don't actually EVER fly in one, get the endorsement in the sim in the states and then VH-PEN the rest.
Sound advice.
BTW, don't actually EVER fly in one, get the endorsement in the sim in the states and then VH-PEN the rest.
Sound advice.
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When the CARs etc change, there will only be the Multi-Engine Land Aeroplane rating; all type 'endorsements' will be check-rides.
No particular type of Initial Multi type endorsement will be of greater benefit in a commercial sense, because you won't get a twin job until you have significant TT and ME time. That means that the best multi to do your initial in, is the one you can
(A) Afford
(B) Plan to do your ME CIR in
(C) Plan to do your private ME flying in.
As far as types, the PN68 is about as docile as they come and relatively low cost; the BE76 Duchess is nice; the PA44 Seminole (I'm told) is a Piper Duchess. Avoid the Seneca (that's the non-turbocharged first model).
Once you have your multi rating, stretch as much of your private flying into the ME as possible.
Have fun.
No particular type of Initial Multi type endorsement will be of greater benefit in a commercial sense, because you won't get a twin job until you have significant TT and ME time. That means that the best multi to do your initial in, is the one you can
(A) Afford
(B) Plan to do your ME CIR in
(C) Plan to do your private ME flying in.
As far as types, the PN68 is about as docile as they come and relatively low cost; the BE76 Duchess is nice; the PA44 Seminole (I'm told) is a Piper Duchess. Avoid the Seneca (that's the non-turbocharged first model).
Once you have your multi rating, stretch as much of your private flying into the ME as possible.
Have fun.
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If you can get to bankstown there are a couple of good Twin Commanches hanging around... Absolutely useless if you want to do any private flying with your mates but it really teaches you how to fly..
A great intro into twins. I did my IR in one. Wow... what a machine.
Other than that. I can only agree with everybody else.. PN68 or Duchess. Whatever you can get access to, and afford.
SF
If you can get to bankstown there are a couple of good Twin Commanches hanging around... Absolutely useless if you want to do any private flying with your mates but it really teaches you how to fly..
A great intro into twins. I did my IR in one. Wow... what a machine.
Other than that. I can only agree with everybody else.. PN68 or Duchess. Whatever you can get access to, and afford.
SF
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Hi, I note that you said employable . So some of the answers already don't really fit you. You are not going to be employed flying charter in a Duchess, Twin Commanche or Seneca, at least north of the 19th parallel.
Depends where you're going to look, which will be determined by how many hours you have. Don't forget that you are most unlikely to get to do M/E charter until you have around 1,000 hrs.If you have less than 500 hrs, save up a bit longer.
Now if you are in the M/E employable range of experience there are many options.
Torres Straits are home to lots of BN2 Islanders, as well as PN68 Partenavia's, Shrikes (AC50), PA31 and BE58 Barons.
Cairns has C400 series, PA31, PN68, AC50 Shrikes, C310.
Mount Isa has C400, BE58, PA31
The Gulf ( Karumba / Burketown ) it's C310 and BE58, also PA31.
Darwin, C400,PA31,BE58, C310, PN68
Kununnurra, PN68, C310, PA31
Wyndham, BN2, BE58
Hall's Creek (Hell's Crook), PA31, PN68
Broome, C310, BE58
Karatha, PA31, C310
You might pick the common denominator, C310,BE58, PN68 and PA31.
PN68 is probably a useful 1st M/E charter job machine, lets you learn at your own pace.
C310/BE58 will make a few demands on you till you catch up, but very common charter and bank run equipment.
PA31 is still quite prolific, more so is C4XX series
BN2 is best left till you have a M/E job anyway, because you will be invariably operating into some challenging strips that require both your's and the aircraft's capabilities.
South of the 19th parallel, GAM/Stewart Avn operate quite a few Shrikes and the RPT ops use PA31 and C4XX (don't forget the CASA imposed exp requirements for RPT).
Bank runners are usually C310/BE58/ and Aerostars.
Forget BE76,PA34, PA44, PA23 and PA30, very unlikely to be found in serious charter work.
To sum up, do some research on AOC's (CASA website) to see who's operating what, once you've established who the operators are. Don't forget that you're going to need hours 1st, to satisfy one, some or all of the following: CASA, Mining Company Contract Specifications and Operator's Insurance Companies.
If you're doing your initial Multi, yes, the twin commanche will teach you the importance of getting it right, however, a Partenavia endorsement is more likely to be useful to an employer.
Most light twins (BE76,PA30,PA34 and PA44) are only likely to be flown again when you do a CIR renewal or want some affordable private flying.
Think about your career and where you're going, PN68 for initial, if you already have that and some reasonable hours, then BE58 or C310.
Hi, I note that you said employable . So some of the answers already don't really fit you. You are not going to be employed flying charter in a Duchess, Twin Commanche or Seneca, at least north of the 19th parallel.
Depends where you're going to look, which will be determined by how many hours you have. Don't forget that you are most unlikely to get to do M/E charter until you have around 1,000 hrs.If you have less than 500 hrs, save up a bit longer.
Now if you are in the M/E employable range of experience there are many options.
Torres Straits are home to lots of BN2 Islanders, as well as PN68 Partenavia's, Shrikes (AC50), PA31 and BE58 Barons.
Cairns has C400 series, PA31, PN68, AC50 Shrikes, C310.
Mount Isa has C400, BE58, PA31
The Gulf ( Karumba / Burketown ) it's C310 and BE58, also PA31.
Darwin, C400,PA31,BE58, C310, PN68
Kununnurra, PN68, C310, PA31
Wyndham, BN2, BE58
Hall's Creek (Hell's Crook), PA31, PN68
Broome, C310, BE58
Karatha, PA31, C310
You might pick the common denominator, C310,BE58, PN68 and PA31.
PN68 is probably a useful 1st M/E charter job machine, lets you learn at your own pace.
C310/BE58 will make a few demands on you till you catch up, but very common charter and bank run equipment.
PA31 is still quite prolific, more so is C4XX series
BN2 is best left till you have a M/E job anyway, because you will be invariably operating into some challenging strips that require both your's and the aircraft's capabilities.
South of the 19th parallel, GAM/Stewart Avn operate quite a few Shrikes and the RPT ops use PA31 and C4XX (don't forget the CASA imposed exp requirements for RPT).
Bank runners are usually C310/BE58/ and Aerostars.
Forget BE76,PA34, PA44, PA23 and PA30, very unlikely to be found in serious charter work.
To sum up, do some research on AOC's (CASA website) to see who's operating what, once you've established who the operators are. Don't forget that you're going to need hours 1st, to satisfy one, some or all of the following: CASA, Mining Company Contract Specifications and Operator's Insurance Companies.
If you're doing your initial Multi, yes, the twin commanche will teach you the importance of getting it right, however, a Partenavia endorsement is more likely to be useful to an employer.
Most light twins (BE76,PA30,PA34 and PA44) are only likely to be flown again when you do a CIR renewal or want some affordable private flying.
Think about your career and where you're going, PN68 for initial, if you already have that and some reasonable hours, then BE58 or C310.
Good advice from Mainframe and to expand on one of his points...
You are unlikely to get a M?E charter job with less than 1000 hours.
Very true. Do your IR on whatever, go and get your charter job (if that is what you want, as opposed to Instructing). Your charter job will 99% chance be on a C2XX. Once you have the job, then when you get a chance get an endorsement on the twin that the company has.
'Course any decent company worth their salt should endorse you on the twin, but sadly they are in the minority.
You are unlikely to get a M?E charter job with less than 1000 hours.
Very true. Do your IR on whatever, go and get your charter job (if that is what you want, as opposed to Instructing). Your charter job will 99% chance be on a C2XX. Once you have the job, then when you get a chance get an endorsement on the twin that the company has.
'Course any decent company worth their salt should endorse you on the twin, but sadly they are in the minority.
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Wyndham...Baron...Ha! Islander - about as likely as Qantas getting a Sonic Cruiser!
Broome...missed out C404, C402, Seneca and Metro.
And by the way, Halls Creek is better known as Hell's Crack!!!
While we're in the general area, anyone know if Golden Shower (Eagle) have an aircraft based in Darwin? Other than the Kunners mail plane that is.
Broome...missed out C404, C402, Seneca and Metro.
And by the way, Halls Creek is better known as Hell's Crack!!!
While we're in the general area, anyone know if Golden Shower (Eagle) have an aircraft based in Darwin? Other than the Kunners mail plane that is.
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Sorry my memory has faded a bit regarding Wyndham, Ord Air Charter used to operate a BN2, but in the dynamic industry we're in, no longer exists.
The incumbent, Wyndham Aviation operates a BE58. It was not my intent to offer a complete and up to date list, rather I just rattled off the types and operators from memory.
I did however suggest that the aspirant conduct his/her own research and for those not sure how to do that, here is a link to CASA for info on AOC holders.
Once you've found the operator you can then view the actual AOC, it will list the types the company may operate. Try this Air Operator Certificate Holders
Remember, 6 months is a long time in aviation, think back, those of you have been around a while, how many operators that were around 3 years ago are still operating ?
So there will be mistakes when one uses one's memeory rather than up to date info. My original suggestion, PN68 BE58 C310, is still valid, there are exceptions, you might get your first M/E charter job in a PA34 but
(1) highly unlikely
(2) hardly any serious operator uses them
Your prospects with one of the three suggested is more likely given the sheer numbers of them out there working. I did not suggest PA31 for an initial because you will most likely need a bit of experience before you take on this workload.
Don't forget how the regs affect you.
If you have less than 100 hrs M/E you need 5 hrs command (includes ICUS) on type to conduct VFR charter, and 10 hours on type regardless of total M/E time to conduct IFR charter. So you need to factor in getting to 5 hours on type, ouch if that's out of your pocket on C310 or BE58.
Sorry my memory has faded a bit regarding Wyndham, Ord Air Charter used to operate a BN2, but in the dynamic industry we're in, no longer exists.
The incumbent, Wyndham Aviation operates a BE58. It was not my intent to offer a complete and up to date list, rather I just rattled off the types and operators from memory.
I did however suggest that the aspirant conduct his/her own research and for those not sure how to do that, here is a link to CASA for info on AOC holders.
Once you've found the operator you can then view the actual AOC, it will list the types the company may operate. Try this Air Operator Certificate Holders
Remember, 6 months is a long time in aviation, think back, those of you have been around a while, how many operators that were around 3 years ago are still operating ?
So there will be mistakes when one uses one's memeory rather than up to date info. My original suggestion, PN68 BE58 C310, is still valid, there are exceptions, you might get your first M/E charter job in a PA34 but
(1) highly unlikely
(2) hardly any serious operator uses them
Your prospects with one of the three suggested is more likely given the sheer numbers of them out there working. I did not suggest PA31 for an initial because you will most likely need a bit of experience before you take on this workload.
Don't forget how the regs affect you.
If you have less than 100 hrs M/E you need 5 hrs command (includes ICUS) on type to conduct VFR charter, and 10 hours on type regardless of total M/E time to conduct IFR charter. So you need to factor in getting to 5 hours on type, ouch if that's out of your pocket on C310 or BE58.
