OzRunways bought by Boeing
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RWY was the one thing that stopped me moving to Avplan until recently and it would be a real shame if Boeing stopped investing in it.
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From: Cab of a Freight Train
That's a very good question. OzR spent a lot of time and effort getting RWY to 'look and feel' the same on Android as their main iPad EFB not all that long ago, and IMHO they nailed it.
RWY was the one thing that stopped me moving to Avplan until recently and it would be a real shame if Boeing junks it.
RWY was the one thing that stopped me moving to Avplan until recently and it would be a real shame if Boeing junks it.
When you live....
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FF Australian subscription is ~$500(USD) vs Ozrunways $279 AUD. Don't know how Boeing would be looking to push Ozrunways users onto Foreflight without them all running for Avplan (might be the best thing that's ever happened to Bevan).
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From: Melbourne
I tried AVPLAN in past but gave up as not as user friendly as OzR.
However I would like to try AVPLAN again if Bevan or someone can point to some improvement in usability, or some good education material.
This OzR change in ownership would seem to be Bevan's golden opportunity. Hope he grasps it by addressing the negatives of AVPLAN whilst retaining the positives.
I am keen to support local business, but AVPLAN needs to improve compared to my last try some years ago.
However I would like to try AVPLAN again if Bevan or someone can point to some improvement in usability, or some good education material.
This OzR change in ownership would seem to be Bevan's golden opportunity. Hope he grasps it by addressing the negatives of AVPLAN whilst retaining the positives.
I am keen to support local business, but AVPLAN needs to improve compared to my last try some years ago.
There are lots of videos on their YouTube channel,
and from personal experience, their support is way better than OzR.
Functionality wise, both products can do more/less the same things. As with any new product, you will need to spend some time learning and adapting to the new product.
I use it both for VFR and IFR..
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Best thing about about Ozrunways being sold is that .....
Last edited by john_tullamarine; 19th February 2024 at 19:40. Reason: I have no idea whether your observation be true or not, but it probably isn't really useful ?
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Yeah John, I had a personal interaction with the individual named, an immigrant to this country that called ANZAC's unspeakable names on a public forum. He doesn't know how much those comments cost him financially. an abhorent individual.
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Anyone else noticing a very large increase in the app failing of late? It seems to have happened during the latest version with a lot of issues in the testing phase. I am very surprised it was rolled out with the issues still present.
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I haven’t noticed an issue. I recommend deleting and re-installing the app occasionally rather than upgrading each time. Same goes with many other apps. You’ll need to export and import the settings and waypoints which is a little annoying but it will perform better afterwards.
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The app is closing down. I have not run a ticket yet as I do participate in the testing versions, with a process to report any issues in the app itself - reopens and send a message. I was recently encountering similar issue son work units that do not use TestFlight and only use the released version. I have shut the iPads down and restarted. I will try the uninstall/reinstall suggestion.
It is usually a very solid app.
It is usually a very solid app.
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So...Boeing bought OzRunways.
Boeing then sold OzRunways (and ForeFlight and Jeppesen) to PE firm Thoma Bravo.
Thoma Bravo have now laid off nearly half the ForeFlight development staff.
How long until our local OzR staff suffer the same fate and the wheels start to fall off what is a pretty decent product?
Boeing then sold OzRunways (and ForeFlight and Jeppesen) to PE firm Thoma Bravo.
Thoma Bravo have now laid off nearly half the ForeFlight development staff.
How long until our local OzR staff suffer the same fate and the wheels start to fall off what is a pretty decent product?
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From: Melbourne, Victoria
So...Boeing bought OzRunways.
Boeing then sold OzRunways (and ForeFlight and Jeppesen) to PE firm Thoma Bravo.
Thoma Bravo have now laid off nearly half the ForeFlight development staff.
How long until our local OzR staff suffer the same fate and the wheels start to fall off what is a pretty decent product?
Boeing then sold OzRunways (and ForeFlight and Jeppesen) to PE firm Thoma Bravo.
Thoma Bravo have now laid off nearly half the ForeFlight development staff.
How long until our local OzR staff suffer the same fate and the wheels start to fall off what is a pretty decent product?
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You don't spend a billion or two on Foreflight and rip it to shreds if it's going really well eh?
Estimates on the internet put Foreflight's value at around US$1 billion -1.5billion, or 10-15% of the total deal.
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I guess you need to ask yourself this question.... Foreflight might be the biggest and best in the USA, but is it actually profitable?
You don't spend a billion or two on Foreflight and rip it to shreds if it's going really well eh?
Estimates on the internet put Foreflight's value at around US$1 billion -1.5billion, or 10-15% of the total deal.
You don't spend a billion or two on Foreflight and rip it to shreds if it's going really well eh?
Estimates on the internet put Foreflight's value at around US$1 billion -1.5billion, or 10-15% of the total deal.
Not necessarily not profitable, but buy a company that is not making maximum profits, then strip away costs regardless of long term effect of such stripping away, sell and lease back property and assets, tart up the company to give an illusion of high profit, then sell to gullible investors, sometime/often mum and dad investors?
Thus the PE company are expert at getting out before the shaky shell of a company that is left falls in a heap?
Happened with Ansett under Murdoch and Abels, and Air NZ rued the day they bought it. Murdoch never wanted Ansett, just the TV network it owned.
Perhaps I am too cynical.
