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Old 22nd May 2022, 01:47
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Truly remarkable!

Someone at Wrighsair must have some more details of the incident.
Someone in Wrighsair might value their job too...
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Old 28th May 2022, 02:14
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Why do we need to see photos?

The aircraft landed on Silcrete Island on Lake Eyre after a rumoured engine failure.
Pilot and passengers sustained a few bruises, and were helicoptered off the Island.
Aircraft has been removed from the Island.

Nothing to see here, folks.

if anything, it was an excellent piece of pilot work to land where he / she did.
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Old 28th May 2022, 05:22
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When we stop making out it's some extra feat of glory to achieve a successful forced landing and not just what is just the bog standard expected outcome from what pilots are trained to do, then perhaps the media and others might stop looking for pictures and news of such events. What news would there be if it was just, "oh another aircraft pulled over into a paddock when it had some minor issues", vs "heroic pilot saves entire load of children by landing in paddock, well done that war hero type person...".
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Old 28th May 2022, 10:53
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I see your point, 43.

I'd appreciate it if you would walk us through the various bog standard forced landings you've successfully carried out anywhere in Australia's outback.

I confess that the prospect of a real forced landing evokes some trepidation for me. But it may be that your experience will help allay those fears.
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Old 28th May 2022, 12:04
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Lets just say I spent a while in GA, landed on various surfaces, but, more importantly was involved in the recovery of several craft that we simply flew out of certain locations after unscheduled landings and a spot of bush maintenance. I can even remember quite a few stories of trainees handling problems without any issues to the point no one got excited about.
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Old 28th May 2022, 13:11
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Aren’t all landings forced? You can’t stay up there forever!
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Old 28th May 2022, 13:31
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By the way, do you worry that the outboard steering tyre might blow while cornering in the wet on a road doing 80+ in your car. From the way 90% of people drive it's obvious they would not care until it happens, you have less control of your future than a single engine plane with an engine failure over tiger country.

What if you don't look both ways before driving through a green, and an intoxicated driver in a truck cleans you up. There are far greater threats to your existence than engine failure, and following an engine failure in a single engine aircraft you have time and training to deal with it. You also have the training telling you to fly over terrain that suits landings if need be, so all things considered it should be a fairly easy task if you are keeping up with the game.
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Old 28th May 2022, 13:46
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Originally Posted by outnabout View Post
Why do we need to see photos?

The aircraft landed on Silcrete Island on Lake Eyre after a rumoured engine failure.
Pilot and passengers sustained a few bruises, and were helicoptered off the Island.
Aircraft has been removed from the Island.

Nothing to see here, folks.

if anything, it was an excellent piece of pilot work to land where he / she did.
You're 100% correct, none of us need to see photographs, however most pilots have an enquiring mind and an interest in what went wrong, how it was handled and what the outcome was. Going all secret squirrel on the subject just makes it look as though there is something to hide, my Zim$.02 worth.

From what I remember of Silcrete the surface looked none too smooth and the pilot deserves a Bells for getting it parked without the lot of them getting badly banged up.
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Old 29th May 2022, 08:50
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I'd appreciate it if you would walk us through the various bog standard forced landings you've successfully carried out anywhere in Australia's outback.
Rumor has it that pilots, on a regular run to a certain strip middle of nowhere back in days good old days, would close the power levers at TOD and only apply power to taxi.

The number must have "lots" and they were all successful.


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Old 29th May 2022, 12:34
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I remember a chief pilot challenging me to a 'practiced forced landing/glide approach' in a chieftain for fun, was pretty easy to aim well into the field and manage the gear and then flaps incrementally to touchdown on the markers. I do remember a half joking remark about practicing for departing on auxs or running too thin on the margin fuel. Maybe that's the problem now, pilots don't look at the exercises as fun challenges of skill, a way to self improve, maybe rather some sort of tested torture.
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Old 29th May 2022, 12:53
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would close the power levers at TOD and only apply power to taxi
There was at least one chap that used to do that in a 747.

If it was one of Trevors aircraft I can understand his reluctance to have the mishap broadcast to his potential clientele, on the other hand I understand the natural inquisitiveness of aviators, I too would love to know the ins and outs.
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Old 30th May 2022, 01:46
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If it was one of Trev’s aircraft and the pax were punters, it is extraordinary that the pax haven’t told their story to family and friends and, ultimately, the media.

Most of us want to know the ‘why’ of these events. I don’t see that kind of curiosity as being anything strange. Those with an interest in embarrassing or criticising pilots are either not pilots themselves or in for a rude shock when their turn comes.
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Old 30th May 2022, 09:07
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If it was one of Trev’s aircraft and the pax were punters, it is extraordinary that the pax haven’t told their story to family and friends and, ultimately, the media.
Perhaps the YWMC Optus cell inexplicably went U/S? (While top shelf PR advice was being sought..)
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I remember a chief pilot challenging me to a 'practiced forced landing/glide approach' in a chieftain for fun

There were tales of chaps doing something similar on the Electra HBA-LST on the Sunday morning paper runs. (Certainly couldn't have involved me ...).

Aim was to climb to whatever height, nil cruise - just push over into the descent, idle power, and juggle speeds and configuration until the minimum specified for spin up ... no point risking one's job for a bit of fun. Certainly kept the thought processes spinning along throughout the descent.
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would close the power levers at TOD and only apply power to taxi
I used to do that in a Westwind into Alice Springs at night. It was about the only thing that kept me awake.


... ah the days before FDM, eh?
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Old 31st May 2022, 01:17
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Perhaps the YWMC Optus cell inexplicably went U/S? (While top shelf PR advice was being sought..)
Ha! I know that the cell 'went down' a couple of months ago when there were many punters stranded at William Creek due to the Track being U/S.

Still, the punters on board the 172 (if there were any) must return to 'the world' eventually. I can't imagine why they'd feel compelled to stay schtum about their experience.
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Old 31st May 2022, 03:10
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Perhaps the YWMC Optus cell inexplicably went U/S? (While top shelf PR advice was being sought..)
They now have a Telstra one as well, so no excuses

I don't think they are interconnected in any way so I think if one goes down the other should still work.

Not too sure of their reliability either as I've heard stories of the service being intermittent even when standing right next to it (there are many of these small cells dotted around the outback now, places like WC, Maralinga, Marree, Innamincka). Great for cancelling SARTIME but can clearly create some heartache if not usable after landing.
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Old 31st May 2022, 07:59
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Spinex:

"however most pilots have an enquiring mind and an interest in what went wrong, how it was handled and what the outcome was. "

I agree "most pilots certainly have an interest in what went wrong, how it was handled". From my experience, pilots (like any other demographic) are made up of all sorts of minds, and have all sorts of attitudes to a situation like this.

There has been wild speculation, criticism, and a fair bit of Ostrich Syndrome ("that'll never happen to me) around the traps.

We all know what the outcome was - everyone walked away.
I don't even think ATSB or CASA made an on-site visit, so I will be very surprised if the report will amount to anything worthwhile (other than for use as emergency dunny roll, or a particularly mediocre competitor in the next YWMC Paper Plane Competition Championships).


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Old 1st Jun 2022, 03:03
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But one ironic consequence of no information being revealed about an incident is that people are left to speculate that something is being covered up, which leads to further speculation about what is being covered up and why.

It's great that everyone walked away. The pilot should be congratulated for that outcome, even if it's just the consequence of going through 'ordinary' precautionary or forced landing procedures. If the decision to conduct a precautionary landing or the circumstances which resulted in a forced landing were a consequence of a 'yawn ordinary' issue like a rough running engine, it's difficult to understand what problem arises from saying so.

Next time I'm talking to Trev face-to-face I'll put on my 'body language expert' hat to work out what he's really saying about the circumstances.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 03:27
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But one ironic consequence of no information being revealed about an incident is that people are left to speculate that something is being covered up, which leads to further speculation about what is being covered up and why.
pretty much - there's no ATSB report on WRA parking in the lake back around 10 years ago either - does anyone know why that happened?
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