Lake Eyre aircraft down
Why do we need to see photos?
The aircraft landed on Silcrete Island on Lake Eyre after a rumoured engine failure.
Pilot and passengers sustained a few bruises, and were helicoptered off the Island.
Aircraft has been removed from the Island.
Nothing to see here, folks.
if anything, it was an excellent piece of pilot work to land where he / she did.
The aircraft landed on Silcrete Island on Lake Eyre after a rumoured engine failure.
Pilot and passengers sustained a few bruises, and were helicoptered off the Island.
Aircraft has been removed from the Island.
Nothing to see here, folks.
if anything, it was an excellent piece of pilot work to land where he / she did.
When we stop making out it's some extra feat of glory to achieve a successful forced landing and not just what is just the bog standard expected outcome from what pilots are trained to do, then perhaps the media and others might stop looking for pictures and news of such events. What news would there be if it was just, "oh another aircraft pulled over into a paddock when it had some minor issues", vs "heroic pilot saves entire load of children by landing in paddock, well done that war hero type person...".
I see your point, 43.
I'd appreciate it if you would walk us through the various bog standard forced landings you've successfully carried out anywhere in Australia's outback.
I confess that the prospect of a real forced landing evokes some trepidation for me. But it may be that your experience will help allay those fears.
I'd appreciate it if you would walk us through the various bog standard forced landings you've successfully carried out anywhere in Australia's outback.
I confess that the prospect of a real forced landing evokes some trepidation for me. But it may be that your experience will help allay those fears.
Lets just say I spent a while in GA, landed on various surfaces, but, more importantly was involved in the recovery of several craft that we simply flew out of certain locations after unscheduled landings and a spot of bush maintenance. I can even remember quite a few stories of trainees handling problems without any issues to the point no one got excited about.
By the way, do you worry that the outboard steering tyre might blow while cornering in the wet on a road doing 80+ in your car. From the way 90% of people drive it's obvious they would not care until it happens, you have less control of your future than a single engine plane with an engine failure over tiger country.
What if you don't look both ways before driving through a green, and an intoxicated driver in a truck cleans you up. There are far greater threats to your existence than engine failure, and following an engine failure in a single engine aircraft you have time and training to deal with it. You also have the training telling you to fly over terrain that suits landings if need be, so all things considered it should be a fairly easy task if you are keeping up with the game.
What if you don't look both ways before driving through a green, and an intoxicated driver in a truck cleans you up. There are far greater threats to your existence than engine failure, and following an engine failure in a single engine aircraft you have time and training to deal with it. You also have the training telling you to fly over terrain that suits landings if need be, so all things considered it should be a fairly easy task if you are keeping up with the game.
Why do we need to see photos?
The aircraft landed on Silcrete Island on Lake Eyre after a rumoured engine failure.
Pilot and passengers sustained a few bruises, and were helicoptered off the Island.
Aircraft has been removed from the Island.
Nothing to see here, folks.
if anything, it was an excellent piece of pilot work to land where he / she did.
The aircraft landed on Silcrete Island on Lake Eyre after a rumoured engine failure.
Pilot and passengers sustained a few bruises, and were helicoptered off the Island.
Aircraft has been removed from the Island.
Nothing to see here, folks.
if anything, it was an excellent piece of pilot work to land where he / she did.
From what I remember of Silcrete the surface looked none too smooth and the pilot deserves a Bells for getting it parked without the lot of them getting badly banged up.
I'd appreciate it if you would walk us through the various bog standard forced landings you've successfully carried out anywhere in Australia's outback.
The number must have "lots" and they were all successful.
I remember a chief pilot challenging me to a 'practiced forced landing/glide approach' in a chieftain for fun, was pretty easy to aim well into the field and manage the gear and then flaps incrementally to touchdown on the markers. I do remember a half joking remark about practicing for departing on auxs or running too thin on the margin fuel. Maybe that's the problem now, pilots don't look at the exercises as fun challenges of skill, a way to self improve, maybe rather some sort of tested torture.
would close the power levers at TOD and only apply power to taxi
If it was one of Trevors aircraft I can understand his reluctance to have the mishap broadcast to his potential clientele, on the other hand I understand the natural inquisitiveness of aviators, I too would love to know the ins and outs.
If it was one of Trev’s aircraft and the pax were punters, it is extraordinary that the pax haven’t told their story to family and friends and, ultimately, the media.
Most of us want to know the ‘why’ of these events. I don’t see that kind of curiosity as being anything strange. Those with an interest in embarrassing or criticising pilots are either not pilots themselves or in for a rude shock when their turn comes.
Most of us want to know the ‘why’ of these events. I don’t see that kind of curiosity as being anything strange. Those with an interest in embarrassing or criticising pilots are either not pilots themselves or in for a rude shock when their turn comes.
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I remember a chief pilot challenging me to a 'practiced forced landing/glide approach' in a chieftain for fun
There were tales of chaps doing something similar on the Electra HBA-LST on the Sunday morning paper runs. (Certainly couldn't have involved me ...).
Aim was to climb to whatever height, nil cruise - just push over into the descent, idle power, and juggle speeds and configuration until the minimum specified for spin up ... no point risking one's job for a bit of fun. Certainly kept the thought processes spinning along throughout the descent.
There were tales of chaps doing something similar on the Electra HBA-LST on the Sunday morning paper runs. (Certainly couldn't have involved me ...).
Aim was to climb to whatever height, nil cruise - just push over into the descent, idle power, and juggle speeds and configuration until the minimum specified for spin up ... no point risking one's job for a bit of fun. Certainly kept the thought processes spinning along throughout the descent.
would close the power levers at TOD and only apply power to taxi
... ah the days before FDM, eh?
Still, the punters on board the 172 (if there were any) must return to 'the world' eventually. I can't imagine why they'd feel compelled to stay schtum about their experience.
I don't think they are interconnected in any way so I think if one goes down the other should still work.
Not too sure of their reliability either as I've heard stories of the service being intermittent even when standing right next to it (there are many of these small cells dotted around the outback now, places like WC, Maralinga, Marree, Innamincka). Great for cancelling SARTIME but can clearly create some heartache if not usable after landing.
Spinex:
"however most pilots have an enquiring mind and an interest in what went wrong, how it was handled and what the outcome was. "
I agree "most pilots certainly have an interest in what went wrong, how it was handled". From my experience, pilots (like any other demographic) are made up of all sorts of minds, and have all sorts of attitudes to a situation like this.
There has been wild speculation, criticism, and a fair bit of Ostrich Syndrome ("that'll never happen to me) around the traps.
We all know what the outcome was - everyone walked away.
I don't even think ATSB or CASA made an on-site visit, so I will be very surprised if the report will amount to anything worthwhile (other than for use as emergency dunny roll, or a particularly mediocre competitor in the next YWMC Paper Plane Competition Championships).
"however most pilots have an enquiring mind and an interest in what went wrong, how it was handled and what the outcome was. "
I agree "most pilots certainly have an interest in what went wrong, how it was handled". From my experience, pilots (like any other demographic) are made up of all sorts of minds, and have all sorts of attitudes to a situation like this.
There has been wild speculation, criticism, and a fair bit of Ostrich Syndrome ("that'll never happen to me) around the traps.
We all know what the outcome was - everyone walked away.
I don't even think ATSB or CASA made an on-site visit, so I will be very surprised if the report will amount to anything worthwhile (other than for use as emergency dunny roll, or a particularly mediocre competitor in the next YWMC Paper Plane Competition Championships).
But one ironic consequence of no information being revealed about an incident is that people are left to speculate that something is being covered up, which leads to further speculation about what is being covered up and why.
It's great that everyone walked away. The pilot should be congratulated for that outcome, even if it's just the consequence of going through 'ordinary' precautionary or forced landing procedures. If the decision to conduct a precautionary landing or the circumstances which resulted in a forced landing were a consequence of a 'yawn ordinary' issue like a rough running engine, it's difficult to understand what problem arises from saying so.
Next time I'm talking to Trev face-to-face I'll put on my 'body language expert' hat to work out what he's really saying about the circumstances.
It's great that everyone walked away. The pilot should be congratulated for that outcome, even if it's just the consequence of going through 'ordinary' precautionary or forced landing procedures. If the decision to conduct a precautionary landing or the circumstances which resulted in a forced landing were a consequence of a 'yawn ordinary' issue like a rough running engine, it's difficult to understand what problem arises from saying so.
Next time I'm talking to Trev face-to-face I'll put on my 'body language expert' hat to work out what he's really saying about the circumstances.
pretty much - there's no ATSB report on WRA parking in the lake back around 10 years ago either - does anyone know why that happened?