New Tribes Missions - new delivery
And "better off for it," have you had a look at history to see how that went for communism?
Yes, the missionaries can do good, but trying to make them change from one sky fairy to another is out of line.
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Ask anybody who wasn't related to Noah. See if they liked religion. Or the Midianites. Or the Canaanites.
but trying to make them change from one sky fairy to another is out of line
By the way, from my observations, there's no way a village will allow a missionary to stay in their village, on their land, unless it is through consent or even by request. They are quite capable of chasing away anyone they don't want around...!
Well, I did have a comment here, but this thread isn't really an argument against pointless beliefs.
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Anyhow, how is that MAF and the other God Botherer outfits can afford such hardware and out compete the competition? Tax free breaks etc etc.
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Three of us bought SEM off you Taily, Shags, Phil McGuire ( a helicopter pilot) and myself. We paid K10, 000 .
At least that was when K10,000 Kina was worth Aus$13,000. Today K10,000 will get you Aus$4,200 - if you can find a bank that will accept it.
I doubt one could generalise over Missionaries, there are good and bad. The LMS brought education and health to the Papuan coast over 140 years ago. The Catholics provided good educational and health services, particularly on the New Guinea side. The SDA's at Kabiufa provided high quality secondary education. The Sallies at Badili did great youth work.
But I recall on one occasion we were hauling Twin Otter loads of bagged cement into a Yank run mission station out of Mendi. The Mission house was excellent. The Church good and substantial. The one room school and the small Haus Sik were Kunai huts.
And the cement was being used to make garden edging and steps up to the Mission house.
Truth is, if it weren't for missionaries going to PNG in the first place just to try to stop the natives from fighting each other, all of us living south of Moresby might be speaking Japanese right now.
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No mate - "no religion" is not a religious statement......(you know a person who doesn't collect stamps is not known as a Non Stamp Collector)
It is a religious statement in the sense that it claims to know something fundamental about reality regarding that subject, and it can't be fully proven - that no God/s exist. In order for that to be proven one would have to know absolutely everything there is to know about the universe. Strident atheist Richard Dawkins funded a public campaign with signs saying, "There's probably no God" - even he is smart enough to know that his position contains insufficient evidence to be categorically proven.
Everyone owes it to themselves to examine any evidence to the contrary, but this is clearly not the forum for discussing it. At the end of the day, what a person chooses to do with that evidence and what they choose to believe is a deeply personal matter. The ability to be able to live and believe according to their conscience without undue interference is a human right upheld by article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. A freedom we perhaps don't value enough at times. Not surprisingly, countries where this freedom is curtailed or doesn't exist are generally less desirable places to live...
The point about the communism reference is that associated governments have been in a position to enforce precisely the ideal espoused here: "Get rid of all the religious nutters, the world will be better off for it." Communist Russia banned the Bible (along with other religious books), advocated the destruction of religion and went to enormous lengths to try and achieve that. Churches, synagogues and mosques were destroyed. Millions of people died in less than desirable ways in an attempt to get rid of all those religious nutters. The question remains: was the world better off for it? Reportedly, some Russian intellectuals reflecting on this time observed, "We thought we could get rid of God and retain a value for human beings. We were wrong. We destroyed both God and man."
Stories like taily's are a good example of hypocrisy. It's like the proverbial poo in the pool: it is disgusting, a little bit spreads a long way and it turns everybody off. Unfortunately, with us faulty human beings, one never has to look very far to find it. How many of us live up to our own standard of expectation, let alone that of others? I'm sure the Bible has something to say about that, but don't worry - I'll let you find that for yourself!
Captain Nomad, You are right this is not the forum to discuss Theism. I'just respond to your latest, then, I suggest we PM if you wish to continue the discussion.
I don't believe in fairies, therefore I'm an Afairiest, this does not mean that the burden of proof is on me to prove that there are no such things as fairies. Dawkins is a scientist, and there is no such thing as 100% proof in science, hence his correct use that there is probably no God. There is ZERO evidence of a GOD, and for evidence, it needs to be repeatable, verifiable, and validated. Putting all your arguments for a GOD in a book written by primitive tribal folk is not evidence for anything.
You do not need a GOD, or worse, religious doctrine, to be a moral individual within a society, Altruism exists without the need for a GOD.
Finally, with regards to MAF et al, can a Muslim join as pilot, or a LGBTQ+ person? I'd say no, sounds a bit like discrimination........... but they get away with it, seems a bit wrong in the 21st century.
I don't believe in fairies, therefore I'm an Afairiest, this does not mean that the burden of proof is on me to prove that there are no such things as fairies. Dawkins is a scientist, and there is no such thing as 100% proof in science, hence his correct use that there is probably no God. There is ZERO evidence of a GOD, and for evidence, it needs to be repeatable, verifiable, and validated. Putting all your arguments for a GOD in a book written by primitive tribal folk is not evidence for anything.
You do not need a GOD, or worse, religious doctrine, to be a moral individual within a society, Altruism exists without the need for a GOD.
Finally, with regards to MAF et al, can a Muslim join as pilot, or a LGBTQ+ person? I'd say no, sounds a bit like discrimination........... but they get away with it, seems a bit wrong in the 21st century.
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Capn Rex. Please.......
This thread is NOT a religious debate nor is this forum a place for religious argument.
This thread is NOT a religious debate nor is this forum a place for religious argument.
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I realise this is thread drift but this article was posted on Facebook by an old PNG pilot most of us know:
If this report is anywhere near accurate, it is a total disaster for PNG, it's economy, transport, health and education services.
Financial Times: Papua New Guinea's population size puzzles prime minister and experts
Sky News: Population study shocks Papua New Guinea
The Australian: Population shock puts PNG in peril
If this report is anywhere near accurate, it is a total disaster for PNG, it's economy, transport, health and education services.
Financial Times: Papua New Guinea's population size puzzles prime minister and experts
Sky News: Population study shocks Papua New Guinea
The Australian: Population shock puts PNG in peril
I read that article a few days ago and wondered how they figured out the population was around +/- 17 million. And then I remembered, it was a UN study which provided that number. Bound to be dodgy.
