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CPL Graduates... no jobs?

Old 16th Sep 2021, 12:55
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA View Post

Petra, I think you should skip the PPL-H and just go all in on a CPL-H....
Yep, the helicopter job market is heating up. Get the CPL-H, IR-MEH , S92 type rating and move to Perth and you'll be on the employment radar for a co-pilot job. They all start on about $100K/year + super for 28/28 with 42 days annual leave. Not a bad entry level gig for working 20 weeks per year with 32 weeks of paid field/tour/annual leave.
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Old 16th Sep 2021, 12:58
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What is the relevance of a PPL-H in all of this?
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Old 16th Sep 2021, 13:04
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^^she said, to build her resume^^ (post #76)
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 09:30
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Originally Posted by petra.oskertrich1995 View Post
I . Okay so I am "scatterbrained" and I'm in my 20s and I don't know what I am doing so I come here to the forum and ask. Like I am sorry if this offends some people but I am only asking and please stop with all of the abusive & insulting personal messages.

I have read all of the advice and some people have given me some really good advice. I have been to the north and looked around and I plan on returning. I am only new around here but I sense a big bullying culture on here - like being at school as a new kid. A few people want to take it upon themselves to attack me or shame me with insults.
Well Petra, I hope that you will set matters straight. You imply by quoting me that I have sent you abusive and insulting personal messages, when I have never messaged you, and would not be so stupid in this litigious age! Take note of what I am saying...
More free advice if you want to make it in aviation: Do not trot out the 'bullying' card every time you cop negative comment. Airline pilots get checked multiple times every year, and in particular, make mistakes in their early years. Most checks draw criticism - usually justified, sometimes not, but you'd be wise to suck it up and learn from it. You may not have had much criticism while you were spending your money down at your ever-so-friendly flying school; probably much praise and many gold stars to stick on the fridge for your good work.
Learn to sift genuine advice based on experience from advice by that same flying school or anyone else with an agenda. For example, what is the relevance of several IR renewals on your resume when you will NOT be considered for an IFR job at your level of experience? Why not save this for when you are in a flying job and better able to afford upgrading qualifications?
PS: I apologise for the ‘scatterbrained’ slur, if you see it as such. The way you have been throwing money at training contrary to good advice suggests ‘impetuous’ or ‘profligate’ is more appropriate.
PPS: I was being serious about drones - they are the future, but that’s a whole other subject...

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Old 17th Sep 2021, 12:18
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Interestingly Petra says she has been ‘north’ to Broome and Alice and looked around. In a previous post I asked what feedback was received from these visits? But there has been no response.

Happy to ask people here what she should do, but not passing on any intel from her visits north. If indeed there has been a visit north?
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 02:58
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Melbourne to Broome? Que’ ?.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 05:17
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^^^obviously that didn't happen recently^^^
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 06:37
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CPL+200 hours = CentreLink queue.

CPL+200 hours+lucky break = First Job.

Present job plus lucky break = Next job.

So what’s a “lucky break”?

In my case, never giving up the dream as I moved from one GA job to the next and then finally leaving Australia for 30 years as an expat.

But here’s a suggestion Petra, take up gliding - you’ll be able to keep your hand in with very cheap and satisfying flying, meet all kinds of people who may be in a position to advise/help you in the future and maybe as a bonus even score a bit of tow time.

All the while trying to reach out to future employers everywhere in Australia. Persistence, gentle good humoured persistence will eventually pay off. Eventually, the bottom of the pilot supply barrel will bottom out and you’ll get your lucky break as I and numerous others did. You’re not Robinson Crusoe. Just as you are now, we were all once the absolute bottom of the barrel.

Good Luck.

Nil bastardum carborundum.

( I’ve just received advice via a PM from a renowned Latin scholar and Ppruner…apparently the grammatically correct version is…. “Na illegitimus non Carborundum”)….. but to a redneck like me, “ bastardum” has more poetic ring to it.

ps.. never listen to career advice from flying schools or flying instructors… they have zero interest in your success. Your flying instructor’s single aim in life is building up his/her logbook hours, tootling aimlessly around the pattern and having you pay for it. This is his his/her idea of nirvana.

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Old 18th Sep 2021, 07:32
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli View Post
Well Petra, I hope that you will set matters straight. You imply by quoting me that I have sent you abusive and insulting personal messages, when I have never messaged you, and would not be so stupid in this litigious age! Take note of what I am saying...
More free advice if you want to make it in aviation: Do not trot out the 'bullying' card every time you cop negative comment. Airline pilots get checked multiple times every year, and in particular, make mistakes in their early years. Most checks draw criticism - usually justified, sometimes not, but you'd be wise to suck it up and learn from it. You may not have had much criticism while you were spending your money down at your ever-so-friendly flying school; probably much praise and many gold stars to stick on the fridge for your good work.
Learn to sift genuine advice based on experience from advice by that same flying school or anyone else with an agenda. For example, what is the relevance of several IR renewals on your resume when you will NOT be considered for an IFR job at your level of experience? Why not save this for when you are in a flying job and better able to afford upgrading qualifications?
PS: I apologise for the ‘scatterbrained’ slur, if you see it as such. The way you have been throwing money at training contrary to good advice suggests ‘impetuous’ or ‘profligate’ is more appropriate.
PPS: I was being serious about drones - they are the future, but that’s a whole other subject...
I am sorry I didn't mean to say to you that it was personal attacks from you. It's not your account that is personal messaging me with insults and abuse. Thank you for trying to help.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 02:37
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A number of forum members have gone to some effort contributing to the pool of advice here, so keep us posted what you decide. The PPL-H idea is obviously ill-advised. You can throw money at this caper for years and not get any return on that investment, at some point you need to reassess your options and look at doing something else productive.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 05:26
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I agree with all previous about getting a second well-paid job or qualification. One that hasn't been mentioned is school teaching(I think). I presume you have some sort of Bachelor of Science degree with your CPL. Schools are at the moment screaming out for STEM teachers. A qualification you would need here in Queensland is a Masters of Education(2 years) There are many deals to considerably shorten this to 15 months or less or to get you in front of a class being paid while you qualify. There are also scholarships, grants and subsidies that you may qualify for. You can then use your qualification at any location in the country while you look for a flying job.

If, in the future, you don't want to leave the big smoke, there is here in Brisbane, for example, a huge amount of casual relief/supply teaching work in primary schools because the full-time teachers are so exhausted and burnt out that they are taking their maximum sick days in order to survive to the end of another term. I am semi-retired. My wife and I do as much relief teaching as we need to keep our plane in the air etc. We mind another teacher's class for 5 hours at $83 an hour and go home at 2.45 - 3.00p.m. for a 5-6 hour day with $415 gross for a bit of chalk and talk. On Friday afternoons, we often drive straight to the airport, hop in our plane and fly off early to a weekend away. Think about it.

I am sure Kununurra Primary Schools need relief teachers, although you might find the school day a pretty wild ride!
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 11:56
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The important point to take away from this thread is it is time to stop loans to aviation aspirants for flying lessons and such. Until there is a turnaround and the prospects of employment return it is doing enormous harm to the pilot group and those poor souls stuck with an unrealistic debt.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 13:44
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Originally Posted by petra.oskertrich1995 View Post
I am sorry I didn't mean to say to you that it was personal attacks from you. It's not your account that is personal messaging me with insults and abuse. Thank you for trying to help.
Here's the thing mate, we are all pilots providing the advice you asked for, The problem is that we don't believe you're the real deal, what you are telling us is not consistent with our real world experience. I have my own view of what the true intention of this thread is .

And please stop sending job applications just because I'm an aircraft owner. I'm not about to let a 200 hour pilot loose in my KingAir. I don't hold an AOC and it's sole purpose is private operations within the company group. Anyone that flies my aircraft is a farmer first, at least a CPL and usually with Airline experience. If you don't know anything about 20.7.1b, don't waste your time. When I'm past my use by date I might need another one. Just sayin.

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Old 20th Sep 2021, 09:00
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Work in the call center for a year, keep current then apply to scenic/charter operators.

My first job was a lucky break. 280 odd hrs and the main question was about my experience in the Pizza Hut call centre during flying training.

Employers love a demonstration of hard work, determination and go getter-ness vs buying type ratings etc. Don’t get me wrong the C206/210 time will prob help when you are in the hiring queue in Kunners/Darwin.

Here’s a tip. You could always call up said operators and ask if they were looking for anyone to spend a year In Borroloola or some remote community in Arnhem Land in return for a leg up.



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