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Old 21st Nov 2023, 23:58
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Wasn't aware of Armstrong having ADHD Clare, unable to find a reference, this astronaut however did, Scott Kelly ex USN F-14 pilot and test pilot.


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Armstrong was very likley Aspergers, not ADHD. However in the 60s there was no such thing. The Many Symptoms Of Asperger’s: A Look At Neil Armstrong – Put Children First
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However in the 60s there was no such thing
Exactly what Scott Kelly said, "I got into the Navy before ADHD was invented".
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 06:30
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The traits of ASD / ADHD have always been there in humans. We just never had a clinical diagnosis for it.

The lack of diagnosis been a blessing and a curse. On the plus side, having a diagnosis can help family understand why a person acts the way they do (eg hypersensitivity, lack of empathy, zero tact etc) and manage and support their way through life.
On the negative side is the societal baggage that goes with it.
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 22:43
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
The traits of ASD / ADHD have always been there in humans. We just never had a clinical diagnosis for it.

The lack of diagnosis been a blessing and a curse. On the plus side, having a diagnosis can help family understand why a person acts the way they do (eg hypersensitivity, lack of empathy, zero tact etc) and manage and support their way through life.
On the negative side is the societal baggage that goes with it.
The latest buzzword appears to be "neurodiverse" - which covers a multitude of meaningless diagnoses whilst sounding kinda cool at the same time. "You know that guy??" "That's just the way he is..."
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Neurodiverse is a pretty good describer though, don't you think?
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 01:31
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
The latest buzzword appears to be "neurodiverse" - which covers a multitude of meaningless diagnoses whilst sounding kinda cool at the same time. "You know that guy??" "That's just the way he is..."
Families who are struggling with kids with some ASD/ADHD symptoms who finally go to get get help for their struggling child, get a diagnosis, and from that an understanding of the world through their child’s eyes, then get assistance to develop subsequent strategies and pathways to successfully help that child through school and life would NOT call those diagnoses “meaningless”.

funny thing attitudes like yours PiperCameron. We as an industry and a community are embracing mental health issues. Why is this any different? Would you dismiss a mate who’s depressed saying “he’s just the way he is, depression is kinda cool”?
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Families who are struggling with kids with some ASD/ADHD symptoms who finally go to get get help for their struggling child, get a diagnosis, and from that an understanding of the world through their child’s eyes, then get assistance to develop subsequent strategies and pathways to successfully help that child through school and life would NOT call those diagnoses “meaningless”.

funny thing attitudes like yours PiperCameron. We as an industry and a community are embracing mental health issues. Why is this any different? Would you dismiss a mate who’s depressed saying “he’s just the way he is, depression is kinda cool”?
My apologies for not being clearer: "Meaningless" = "no meaning" last time I checked. Capitch?

The goobeldegook AVMED etc. label people with has no meaning (ie. is meaningless) to either the sufferer or their supporters, other than to label them and put them in one (or more) boxes if at all possible. Does it help? Rarely, if at all. The human brain is a complex organism.

Diagnoses?!? Yeah, good luck with that. I very much like what Scott Kelly was quoted as saying above. AFAICT, all the Docs are interested in is making money so they can play more golf.

Personally, I'd rather they just used the label "neurodiverse" and accepted people just the way they are. Special.
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
The goobeldegook AVMED etc. label people with has no meaning (ie. is meaningless) to either the sufferer or their supporters, other than to label them and put them in one (or more) boxes if at all possible. Does it help? Rarely, if at all.
That is a load of bull****. I'm good friends with a family where the childhood ASD diagnosis has ended much angst, arguing, stress, and other things, and helped that family understand the triggers and difficulty, get help and support and manage the personality traits. Tthe turnaround in the child has been remarkable.

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The human brain is a complex organism.
About the only cogent thing you have said. And we are still trying to come to terms with its diversity.
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That is a load of bull****. I'm good friends with a family where the childhood ASD diagnosis has ended much angst, arguing, stress, and other things, and helped that family understand the triggers and difficulty, get help and support and manage the personality traits. Tthe turnaround in the child has been remarkable..
I'm happy for you (and them) - really I am. Just don't ever mention a diagnosis like that to AVMED, or they'll have you visiting your DAME so often you'll wish you never learnt to fly in the first place...
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 07:03
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Yes. They have been advised and are aware.

The problem is not the diagnosis. The problem is AVMED (and no doubt others') interpretation and societal stigmas as I said earlier. Hence this thread.
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A diagnosis can cost you your driving licence now too https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-...ards/103108100
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And an article for Piper Cameron, linked off the above, showing a meaningful positive journey of understanding and improvement after a diagnosis.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-...nage/102890256

AVMEDs and now the RTA's approach means that we have a system where people are becoming afraid to get medical help who need it as it will have consequences....
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 02:16
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Just don't ever mention a diagnosis like that to AVMED
That's not the only thing not to mention. AVMED should be really proud of themselves. They've forced a plethora of people underground, you know someone who's hiding something, I know several.

And the idiot in charge of this supposedly has a medical degree. Couldn't be further from a medical professional than a builders labourer.
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That's not the only thing not to mention. AVMED should be really proud of themselves. They've forced a plethora of people underground, you know someone who's hiding something, I know several.

And the idiot in charge of this supposedly has a medical degree. Couldn't be further from a medical professional than a builders labourer.
You have to wonder if any doctors are ever diagnosed with ADHD/ASD (outside Hollywood). Statistically speaking, there must be some. I'm interested to know how it affects their careers.
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 02:44
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Originally Posted by Mr Mossberg

And the idiot in charge of this supposedly has a medical degree. Couldn't be further from a medical professional than a builders labourer.
AVMED/CASA are not interested in your medical wellbeing. They are there to protect their legal wellbeing.
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 18:47
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You have to wonder if any doctors are ever diagnosed with ADHD/ASD (outside Hollywood). Statistically speaking, there must be some. I'm interested to know how it affects their careers.
see my post 120 above.
It hasn’t affected her career.
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see my post 120 above.
It hasn’t affected her career.
Check . I was thinking of how a diagnosis affects them rather than the 'disorder' itself. Say a diagnosis during medical training or soon afterwards - are they taken out of line and ushered through another door?
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