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Old 5th Jan 2021, 04:57
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Originally Posted by Pinky the pilot View Post
In places like Sopu, Fane and others of their ilk; Yes! SOP in the BN2s was stand on the brakes and go to full power, making sure that the mixture was lean enough to give you max revs.

Once you released the brakes you were committed for take off.
Not necessarily committed to getting airborne, but you're leaving the runway one way or another! I think that was a factor that put me off the most with the job offer. For the half dozen flights I right seated, I flicked through the AFM and was able to tell pretty quickly we were often no less than 2-300 kgs over the Max permissible TOW let alone the environmental MTOW. There was a lot of flat out BS put on the flight manifest. While I appreciate that many nationals were small statured, they were not on average 30 kilos. It was obvious to me that you were flying what was effectively a single engine aeroplane with two power levers.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 05:25
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Freight and fares in the bush, itís amazing how many passengers an Islander or Otter can carry. What happens in PNG stays in PNG👍
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 05:58
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What happens in PNG stays in PNG👍
It would appear not!
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 08:13
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Regards the final approach setup, not sure what others were taught but we would use the known threshold elevation and cross reference the altimeter to set up a normal-ish approach angle from a reasonable distance out, which would give normal final speeds and power settings. The picture on finals would look different depending on the slope of the strip (i.e. if it was steeply sloping, the illusion would be that you were too high because of the runway aspect), and then obviously the change in aircraft attitude in the flare would be greater than normal.
That would be followed by keeping power on to make it up to the top, and then parking sideways!

Another possibly confusing factor is not having any useful horizon reference due to being surrounded by big hills, therefore some good old 'performance flying' would be needed - known power setting, then adjust the attitude with reference to whatever was out the front (hillside etc) until the performance was right - reverse engineering compared to 'normal' ops.

Add in to that the non-availability of go round options in many cases, plus weather and high DA effects - hats off to those hardy souls who do or have done it full time!
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Willie Nelson View Post

This one is from somewhere in Papua, the slope is not so helpful if you immediately have to start climbing after being flung off the base.
Interesting position for the chocks!
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 08:58
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Interesting position for the chocks!
I think you will find those "chocks" are in fact mud/debris deflectors.

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Old 5th Jan 2021, 09:24
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I don't know if any of the old timers in here know how to use youtube, but, there is a really good channel - Missionary Bush Pilot.

The Pilot flies into some pretty tight strips. I think the vidoe's are fantastic as the focus isn't on him, on how he looks or multiple cameras facing him unlike 99% of other youtube pilots out there that fly over boring and featureless terrain.

I think it's well worth a look.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NTMApilot
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 09:44
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Not necessarily committed to getting airborne, but you're leaving the runway one way or another!
In quite a few examples the end of the runway dropped off as a fairly steep cliff into the Valley below. Which at a strip such as Kamulai was about 1500' down.

There have been cases of A/C falling off the end of the strip with the Pilot poling foward to dive down a bit to gain sufficient airspeed! Yelling "Banzai!!" as one did so had been known to occur!

Not saying if I ever did it M'self!

there is a really good channel - Missionary Bush Pilot.
I was once briefly based in Karema, flying a 300hp BN2 which was then owned by the Kerema Catholic Diocese and my then employer Simbu Aviation had been asked to supply a Pilot. I had previously lost an engine due to an oil seal in the CSU letting go, and after repairs were made, was due to take a few passengers up to one of the missions north of Kerema.

One of my Passengers, a Catholic Brother, had a Video Camera and took some footage of the flight. Made for interesting viewing, as only five miutes into the flight I had to shut down the engine again and bring the Bongo Van back to Kerema on one engine.

The footage, complete with sound clearly showed me shutting down the right hand engine, returning to Kerema and completing the pre landing checks, with not a little bad language associated!

The Brother concerned was going to make me a copy of the video but I never got back to Kerema to get it. The Mission could not afford a replacement engine and the A/C was eventually sold.

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Old 5th Jan 2021, 20:10
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Thereís was also a PNG CAA register of over 700 strips that was floating around a couple years ago.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 23:11
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upacreek,

I've got a list of 587 PNG strips, from AFORE to ZUEBAK.

Matt Dwyer at Southwest gave it to me in 2007, and it includes lat/long, elevation, strip direction(s), slope, LDA and remarks.

Matt also gave me his list of GPS tracking points.

Cheers.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 01:47
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While on a trainer in the 70s, we stopped at some little place to pump some fuel out of a bladder into the tank with the Whale Gusher. A fella came over, drink in hand, and asked, "Can'o'beer for lunch?"
"No thank you, we can't drink when we are flying."
"I was asking if you were going to Kanobea for lunch."
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 02:58
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What about having Wantoat for lunch AC?
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 06:45
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SIUYA,

yup thatís the one. Copy I have is dated feb 2012 and stops at the Yuat gap.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 07:45
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I once thought that there was a place called "Bagarup Tru" - you ask "Where is aircraft (blah blah)?" and the answer was "Em Bagarup Tru".
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 09:22
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You guys must sleep well at night. If you survived that every working day, nothing could worry you
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
Freight and fares in the bush, itís amazing how many passengers an Islander or Otter can carry. What happens in PNG stays in PNG👍
Maybe we should start a new thread Duck "My biggest load (pax) I had in PNG"
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 12:50
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Sounds like you and I read the same book Arm out the window - it scares me seeing some of the utubes where the driver flies straight and level at threshold height !
and yes on steep strips normally V1 is brakes release !
happy landings all
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 17:34
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Originally Posted by minger View Post
I don't know if any of the old timers in here know how to use youtube, but, there is a really good channel - Missionary Bush Pilot.

The Pilot flies into some pretty tight strips. I think the vidoe's are fantastic as the focus isn't on him, on how he looks or multiple cameras facing him unlike 99% of other youtube pilots out there that fly over boring and featureless terrain.

I think it's well worth a look.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NTMApilot
Yes, very recommended and very professional operation there.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 10:31
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Komako was one of my favourites. 373m 7% and a 70 degree dog leg.
A 70 degree dog leg? Now that'd be worth seeing a photo of.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 14:31
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Anyone been into Courchevel in the French Alps.

2007 Metres Altitude
537m r/w available
Max slope 18.66%

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