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Old Jet A1?

Old 23rd Sep 2020, 22:26
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Old Jet A1?

Found an abandoned barrel of what appears to be jetA1. Unopened, I think. No paperwork or labels. At least five years old. Is it now blackberry spray or could someone still use it in a turbine?
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 23:04
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Do you still use kero heaters in Victoria?
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 23:17
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Voluntary payment of 'road excise' to the government and use it as diesel fuel in a car or truck!
Lovely clean fuel
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 23:32
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Careful using Jet fuel in diesel engines, OK for brief periods but it's a very 'dry' fuel, injector pumps wear out quickly using Jet fuel.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 23:47
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Voluntary payment of 'road excise' to the government and use it as diesel fuel in a car or truck!
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older 80's diesels are fine - so I'm told....
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JetA1 in diesel engines

I have no idea of the long term effects however we just started running JetA1 in our 50KVA generators. Would adding say 0.5% oil help with the lubrication in injector pumps or is long term use of JetA1 ok to use in diesel engines?
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 00:00
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I have no idea of the long term effects however we just started running JetA1 in our 50KVA generators. Would adding say 0.5% oil help with the lubrication in injector pumps or is long term use of JetA1 ok to use in diesel engines?
thatís what Iíve been told to do with newer engines. Never tried it on the Disco or Prado though.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 00:22
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JetA works well in the old Vulcan oil heaters
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What did Victorians use before candles?

Electricity.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 00:46
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Add a small amount of two stroke oil for lubrication of a diesel pump?
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 04:08
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Add sufficient two stroke mineral oil to the JetA1 until it feels slippery between your fingers and would be perfectly OK to use in Toyota or Nissan diesels.
I would be hesitant to use it in my common rail 3.0 Discovery simply because of the enormous cost of replacing fuel components. This is what is used in some places in Africa for the old school Toyota engines.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 04:25
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There was a refueller many years ago at Tullamarine. He was nicking the Jet fuel and he openly used to brag about this.. He used to fly Doves on Penguin flight to Phillip Island in his spare time.
He was using the Jet A1 in his oil heater at home. When the problem became known he had to rip out his oil heater at home to conceal the evidence!
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Devil mechanical fuel injection ok with added oil.

Old style mechanically injected diesels run very well on it with additional oil ie two stroke or if you can get it biodiesel. think diesel fergies and land rovers before high pressure injection. Inspect the drum with a torch to check for water and fuel fungus before pumping it in . jet works very well in cold climates as an alternate to fuel waxing.
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There was a refueller many years ago at Tullamarine. He was nicking the Jet fuel and he openly used to brag about this.. He used to fly Doves on Penguin flight to Phillip Island in his spare time.
He was using the Jet A1 in his oil heater at home. When the problem became known he had to rip out his oil heater at home to conceal the evidence!
i know the very guy -)
Actually there is quite a story behind the Jet A1 pilfering, all but forgotten now.
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Why would you need to ‘pilfer’ it. Most people just saved up all the fuel drain samples.
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A UK regional airport which shall be nameless decided some years ago to use Jet A1, either discarded from sampling, or rejected for minor contamination, or straight out of the storage, in its RFFS vehicles.

A year later they had to replace every component in all 5 engines which depended on the lubricant additive in diesel sold for vehicle use. The bill for parts and labour ran to thousands.

Just like my bill for repairing a common-rail diesel car engine after I had experimented with mixing diesel 50:50 with used cooking oil. (Yes, I did register as a fuel producer.)
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 14:35
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No idea of the long term effects .... 50 KVA ? Uh, that's a big generator to be playing with?
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 15:40
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Voluntary payment of 'road excise' to the government and use it as diesel fuel in a car or truck!
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Definitely NOT in a common rail diesel engine.
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Not in a common rail engine that will cost a great deal in an older diesel dilute it with 50% diesel fuel it will be fine
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Old 25th Sep 2020, 00:52
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You could also use it in your vintage Farmall tractor.
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