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Sunfish 23rd Sep 2020 21:26

Old Jet A1?
 
Found an abandoned barrel of what appears to be jetA1. Unopened, I think. No paperwork or labels. At least five years old. Is it now blackberry spray or could someone still use it in a turbine?

Capt Fathom 23rd Sep 2020 22:04

Do you still use kero heaters in Victoria?

Office Update 23rd Sep 2020 22:17

Voluntary payment of 'road excise' to the government and use it as diesel fuel in a car or truck!
Lovely clean fuel

machtuk 23rd Sep 2020 22:32

Careful using Jet fuel in diesel engines, OK for brief periods but it's a very 'dry' fuel, injector pumps wear out quickly using Jet fuel.

compressor stall 23rd Sep 2020 22:47


Originally Posted by Office Update (Post 10891292)
Voluntary payment of 'road excise' to the government and use it as diesel fuel in a car or truck!
Lovely clean fuel

older 80's diesels are fine - so I'm told....

Cessna 200 23rd Sep 2020 22:51

JetA1 in diesel engines
 
I have no idea of the long term effects however we just started running JetA1 in our 50KVA generators. Would adding say 0.5% oil help with the lubrication in injector pumps or is long term use of JetA1 ok to use in diesel engines?

compressor stall 23rd Sep 2020 23:00


Originally Posted by Cessna 200 (Post 10891307)
I have no idea of the long term effects however we just started running JetA1 in our 50KVA generators. Would adding say 0.5% oil help with the lubrication in injector pumps or is long term use of JetA1 ok to use in diesel engines?

that’s what I’ve been told to do with newer engines. Never tried it on the Disco or Prado though.

miroho 23rd Sep 2020 23:22

JetA works well in the old Vulcan oil heaters

thunderbird five 23rd Sep 2020 23:36

What did Victorians use before candles?

Electricity.

ShyTorque 23rd Sep 2020 23:46

Add a small amount of two stroke oil for lubrication of a diesel pump?

Propstop 24th Sep 2020 03:08

Add sufficient two stroke mineral oil to the JetA1 until it feels slippery between your fingers and would be perfectly OK to use in Toyota or Nissan diesels.
I would be hesitant to use it in my common rail 3.0 Discovery simply because of the enormous cost of replacing fuel components. This is what is used in some places in Africa for the old school Toyota engines.

Office Update 24th Sep 2020 03:25

There was a refueller many years ago at Tullamarine. He was nicking the Jet fuel and he openly used to brag about this.. He used to fly Doves on Penguin flight to Phillip Island in his spare time.
He was using the Jet A1 in his oil heater at home. When the problem became known he had to rip out his oil heater at home to conceal the evidence!

catseye 24th Sep 2020 07:11

mechanical fuel injection ok with added oil.
 
Old style mechanically injected diesels run very well on it with additional oil ie two stroke or if you can get it biodiesel. think diesel fergies and land rovers before high pressure injection. Inspect the drum with a torch to check for water and fuel fungus before pumping it in . jet works very well in cold climates as an alternate to fuel waxing.

machtuk 24th Sep 2020 10:00


Originally Posted by Office Update (Post 10891374)
There was a refueller many years ago at Tullamarine. He was nicking the Jet fuel and he openly used to brag about this.. He used to fly Doves on Penguin flight to Phillip Island in his spare time.
He was using the Jet A1 in his oil heater at home. When the problem became known he had to rip out his oil heater at home to conceal the evidence!

i know the very guy -)
Actually there is quite a story behind the Jet A1 pilfering, all but forgotten now.

Capt Fathom 24th Sep 2020 10:52

Why would you need to ‘pilfer’ it. Most people just saved up all the fuel drain samples.

old,not bold 24th Sep 2020 12:43

A UK regional airport which shall be nameless decided some years ago to use Jet A1, either discarded from sampling, or rejected for minor contamination, or straight out of the storage, in its RFFS vehicles.

A year later they had to replace every component in all 5 engines which depended on the lubricant additive in diesel sold for vehicle use. The bill for parts and labour ran to thousands.

Just like my bill for repairing a common-rail diesel car engine after I had experimented with mixing diesel 50:50 with used cooking oil. (Yes, I did register as a fuel producer.)

FakePilot 24th Sep 2020 13:35

No idea of the long term effects .... 50 KVA ? Uh, that's a big generator to be playing with?

601 24th Sep 2020 14:40


Voluntary payment of 'road excise' to the government and use it as diesel fuel in a car or truck!
Lovely clean fuel
Definitely NOT in a common rail diesel engine.

Deltasierra010 24th Sep 2020 15:47

Not in a common rail engine that will cost a great deal in an older diesel dilute it with 50% diesel fuel it will be fine

601 24th Sep 2020 23:52

You could also use it in your vintage Farmall tractor.


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