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Student Pilot - Cessna crash into hangar

Old 8th Sep 2020, 02:37
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Originally Posted by kansarasc View Post
Way Faaaaast taxi., seriously on first solo ? Why he had his hands on control yoke? while taxiing ? Student with just few hours of experience will know that you taxi with foot pedals and not yoke.
This “fast taxi” is called a landing.
He landed flat and maybe slightly fast.
Started heading for the weeds and panicked on the go around.
By your own admission you took 60 hrs to solo on a rotorcraft.......
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 11:27
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Wouldn't have happened if they started him off on a Tiger Moth (and not because it's got a stick).
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 11:37
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Why would it be better if he soloed in a Tigermoth, as opposed to a Cub or a C150? In the US a Tigermoth would be an extremely rare airplane.

I think it would be better to take after me...my first solo was in a 707 after 1 hour of training
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 12:46
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Let us not forget this

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Old 8th Sep 2020, 13:04
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Originally Posted by kansarasc View Post
I have a hard time believing that this guy is actually a student.. I have been a student before and even with very basic instruction for a short time this should not happen.
Way Faaaaast taxi., seriously on first solo ? Why he had his hands on control yoke? while taxiing ? Student with just few hours of experience will know that you taxi with foot pedals and not yoke.
What are you on about you turkey
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 13:56
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Poor chap just got totally disorientated. Let's hope he gets a sympathetic debriefing and carries on, despite his minor injuries. After all that is what insurance is for!
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 15:36
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
If you spend a lot of time driving a car and little time flying an aircraft, the natural instinctual reaction when panicked is to use the aircraft yoke as a ‘steering wheel’.
Give the kid a break. He walked away.
With 4,000,000+ (yes, 4 million) miles driven and less than 20 hours in my logbook, I struggle to steer with my feet.
Sadly, I don't get enough time in the aircraft, for various reasons.
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 15:43
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Students make mistakes, some big, some small - making him feel bad about his actions on an anonymous forum only makes YOU look like a douche bag.
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 17:08
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight View Post
I think the concept that "If the landing isn't going well, you can always go-around." was one of the things that HAD been cemented in his mind - it just didn't really apply in this particular situation.
What does amaze me (and it's probably a generational thing) is that a student pilot, presumably on a very early solo, finds the need to set up a camera and record his endeavors.
The distraction of mounting it, setting it up, remembering to turn it on - it's all preparation that shouldn't feature in the preparation of a solo flight, surely?
Or maybe I'm just an old git. Or is this something that flying schools do now?
I remember my first solo many moons ago. I kept on muttering "Oh f##k" as I climbed out and "Oh s##t" as I turned downwind. Once downwind my nerves settled. I wouldn't want a camera in there with me recording my words and no doubt visible signs of abject terror! I look back on that day with fond memories now....
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 17:48
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I think we should all take a moment and wish the pilot a speedy recovery, both physically and emotionally.

If you are reading this, thank you for allowing the video to be posted.

I hope you manage to get over the accident and back to flying.

As for the event on the runway, I wonder if the squealing tyre noise was an inadvertent brake lock up or just the nose wheel complaining.
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 23:32
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Far too many keyboard warriors on here for my liking.

I think it's fair to say that the person suffering the hardest over this unfortunate incident is the student himself, does he really need the extra grief? This stuff can have devastating consequences on people and I find in aviation incidences people ridicule far too easily.
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 23:49
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Originally Posted by kansarasc View Post
I have a hard time believing that this guy is actually a student.. I have been a student before and even with very basic instruction for a short time this should not happen.
Way Faaaaast taxi., seriously on first solo ? Why he had his hands on control yoke? while taxiing ? Student with just few hours of experience will know that you taxi with foot pedals and not yoke.
You sir, just made a complete goose of yourself
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 23:59
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Originally Posted by Oscar Charlie 192 View Post
I struggle to steer with my feet.
So you never had a billycart as a kid?
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 01:28
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But a billy cart steers opposite to an aircraft. Oops!
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 03:19
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Originally Posted by Pugilistic Animus View Post
Why would it be better if he soloed in a Tigermoth, as opposed to a Cub or a C150? In the US a Tigermoth would be an extremely rare airplane.

I think it would be better to take after me...my first solo was in a 707 after 1 hour of training
How do you solo an aircraft that required more than one pilot?
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 05:25
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I think it would be better to take after me...my first solo was in a 707 after 1 hour of training
Looxury!
I had to lick tarmac clean first, then my instructor beat me to death before sending me solo in a 747 without any training at all! Tell that to the kids these days, nobody would believe you...
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 06:09
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Originally Posted by Two's in View Post
Well done all you aviation warriors who clearly have no recollection of learning to fly. This "student" has zero muscle memory for what to do when things go wrong, his brain immediately fails to process the directional failure, he over controls massively and you can see him using the yolk like a steering wheel and pulling and pushing anything he can reach. This is not an infrequent occurrence, and it's the judgement call thousands of instructors make every day - is my student ready and if something goes wrong, what will they do? In this case the student failed to recognize and react to the problem correctly and was extremely fortunate to survive the outcome.
Lol - the yolk???

DF.
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 07:03
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It is quite obvious to anyone who has an instructional background he started to do everything he was taught.
Landed a little flat, started to drift to the side of the runway, after reducing throttle, (But may not have closed it fully - possibly causing more drift) doesn't add enough rudder.
So initiates a go around.
Doesn't correct the yaw and then uses aileron to try to steer away from the hanger, while accelerating towards it.
Poor chap becomes completely overloaded and is fortunate that the aircraft hit the hanger side on so the aircraft and the soft skin of the hanger acted as a crumple zone.
This should be seen as a learning exercise for us all not just in the lessons this video shows but also when going around is not the best option and most importantly that the rudder is so seldom used by a huge amount of pilots in GA from beginners to pilots with lots of hours.
Unless pilots have real experience of stick and rudder aircraft and tailwheel aircraft then they see the rudder pedals as brakes and footrests. Rather than a powerful control surface with multiple secondary control effects.
Good luck to the student, I am glad he wasn't too badly hurt, that he provided us all with some valuable learning experience and hope that this doesn't put him off flying.
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 07:07
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Well said, SM.
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 07:28
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I'd be more concerned about the instructor/s who taught this guy and especially the one that authorised solo flight! I mean we are talking about a C172 here one if the most benign training A/C on the market! You are meant to be competent to go solo. To stuff this up so badly means someone out there needs some attention also!
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