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Citation owner of VH-MYE in court today 18th August

Old 3rd Sep 2020, 05:39
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From today's report...

“Really, he’s to an extent brought this upon himself because he’s got this view that can’t be shifted by any logic.
“When your Honour looks at it in detail, we say we’ve established that that just can’t be right, and that the system worked properly … and that he just made some mistakes that day.”

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...03-p55rzx.html
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 06:53
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https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...fb70e250e9c72a
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 07:49
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I suspect Textron are buying the aircraft back off him so that he will now go away! Sounds like he had finger trouble and he won't accept that he was his own worst enemy, not the aircraft or Textron. Why are rich people such assh*les all the time?
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 09:56
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Textron don't have to buy the aircraft back; there is no need to do so. Just sell the aircraft and move on; there is nothing wrong with it.
All Cessna, Rockwell Collins have to do is call for Norbury's training records from Flight Safety, speak to people whom knew the man back in those days.
Put the Aus Jet CP 'Chop' into the witness box.
Bring in CASA to find out whom upgraded his licence to fly single pilot in Australia
He is not even a "B' list social celebrity !
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 03:03
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
You guys have all blamed the pilot before the ATSB have had a chance to :-)
I guess the same happened when two B737MAX crashed in 2018/19...
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 04:48
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Originally Posted by Flying Ted View Post
From today's report...

“Really, he’s to an extent brought this upon himself because he’s got this view that can’t be shifted by any logic.
“When your Honour looks at it in detail, we say we’ve established that that just can’t be right, and that the system worked properly … and that he just made some mistakes that day.”

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...03-p55rzx.html
The defence would say that though, wouldn't they? How many here have seen the evidence, as opposed to making a subjective judgement?

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Old 4th Sep 2020, 06:46
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I still don't get it. If he was in the cruise, at altitude, and the autopilot went haywire initiating uncommanded turns and he was forced to recover the situation, (assuming he didn't make the whole story up), why is it due to him stuffing things up somehow..? I don't know the bloke but plenty on here are quick to hang it on him as being somehow substandard. That may well be true (or not) but it still doesn't explain what happened. Or why the defence said 'he should have been hand flying it'. In the cruise..? Really..?
Or did he make the whole thing up to cover up something he did wrong..? Seems like a lot of effort and expense to go through just to save face with his son and his friend who were the only other witnesses to the event..!
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 10:14
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It was all about protecting reputation and the legal settlement saved both bacons, perhaps a compromise on both sides was reached, we'll never know . As someone suggested earlier, it was high time to move on, perhaps overdue but at least this amateur hour nonsense is now over and all noses are still intact.
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Old 5th Sep 2020, 02:57
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Originally Posted by IFEZ View Post
I still don't get it. If he was in the cruise, at altitude, and the autopilot went haywire initiating uncommanded turns and he was forced to recover the situation, (assuming he didn't make the whole story up), why is it due to him stuffing things up somehow..? I don't know the bloke but plenty on here are quick to hang it on him as being somehow substandard. That may well be true (or not) but it still doesn't explain what happened. Or why the defence said 'he should have been hand flying it'. In the cruise..? Really..?
Or did he make the whole thing up to cover up something he did wrong..? Seems like a lot of effort and expense to go through just to save face with his son and his friend who were the only other witnesses to the event..!
Maybe he tried to use the autopilot to recover the situation and they are suggesting he should have disconnected it then. I don't know this aircraft type, but I've seen some people make some aeroplanes do very ugly things while trying to keep the autopilot on.
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Old 5th Sep 2020, 11:54
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2,000 FPS = 1363 mph.

No wonder he’s upset..... to recover from that descent rate was a remarkable feat, even to keep the wings on. The “g” loading must have been impressive.

I presume the journalist didn’t have a physics qualification.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 02:48
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I will happily purchase that apparently 'tainted' aircraft from Textron at a big discount in return for not suing them for perceived design issues!

The GA manufacturing industry was decimated in the 80's by litigious f-wits out to make a quick buck.

Not saying this case is similar but sincerely hope we don't go the same way in Australia.

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Old 8th Sep 2020, 01:56
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Given the story he has put up if he can't point to an submitted incident report it didn't happen. Bolding mine.

Mandatory reporting – routinely reportable matters (RRM)

RRMs do not require immediate reporting. RRMs are occurrences that have, or could have, affected safety, but the outcome was not serious. RRMs would involve non-serious injuries, minor aircraft damage or structural failure that does not significantly affect structural integrity, performance or flight characteristics and does not require major repair or replacement of affected components. Under the TSI Act, responsible person must report RRMs within 72 hours of becoming aware of them.

An example of a RRM may include (AIP ENR 1.14):
  • an injury, other than a serious injury, to a person on board the aircraft
  • a flight crew member becoming incapacitated while operating the aircraft
  • an airprox
  • an occurrence that results in difficulty controlling the aircraft, including any of the following:
    • an aircraft system failure
    • a weather phenomenon
    • operation outside the aircraft’s approved flight envelope
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 02:59
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
Given the story he has put up if he can't point to an submitted incident report it didn't happen. Bolding mine.
I thought the same thing. This 'event' would normally be reported if for no other reason than to cover yr ass!
Welive in a very litigators world where we will never know the truth here!
There would have to be a lot more to this story but it has at least been entertaining -)
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 01:43
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2000 feet per second
That's 120,000 ft per minute - I don't think so.

The aircraft would be in a million pieces at that V/S.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 02:25
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Originally Posted by Des Dimona View Post
That's 120,000 ft per minute - I don't think so.

The aircraft would be in a million pieces at that V/S.
Well thats just half the story apparently.

It took "15 hair raising minutes" to get the aircraft under control is a real worry.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 02:42
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The ATSB investigated an incident on a Kingair over Mt Hotham where both engines had a chip detector indication. Eventually the investigation was discontinued as the CDI were the result of pilot tomfoolery and not a result of engine malfunction.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 09:55
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Office Update!

Unless you're a Moderator with a particular objection to the post I will contribute whatever I want! My point was and is that the reason for the alleged behaviour of the Citation may have been that the pilot was not entirely focused on the job at hand. When it all turned pear shaped he has tried to blame the aircraft and sought to get some form of compensation. One reason the pilot of ITE (thanks for the rego) was found out was a discrepancy between his timeline and the fuel receipts.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 15:05
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It took "15 hair raising minutes" to get the aircraft under control is a real worry.
It took an estimated 15 minutes for that particular pilot to get the aircraft under control.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 22:44
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Has this aircraft got Tamarack winglets?
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 23:48
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Jeez Office: You seem to be hanging on a bit tight.

Well said, LL.
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