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B737 Recurrency and Instrument Renewal (HELP)

Old 5th Aug 2019, 09:00
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B737 Recurrency and Instrument Renewal (HELP)

Help needed

I am trying to get my IR and B737 rating current, but I am hitting road blocks everywhere.

There seems to be a lack of checkers available to do a check and CASA don't seem to want to do them either.

Does anyone know a checker available ASAP to achieve this?

Or are there any sim centers offshore that have checkers available?

There are a few pilots I know wanting to do this.

Thanks
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 10:44
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Just a guess, but... Flight Safety, Simuflite, CAE, just Google and you will get your answers ! Go with a recognised organisation that has paperwork acceptable to CASA .
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 13:13
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Ansett Aviation Training in melbourne could also be a good place to speak to
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 13:47
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Sure, if you want to be ripped off
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 14:00
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Here's the CASA form if you do it in the USA or any other of the approved countries. There's a thread about this already on here. You'll need to use the search function.

https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/defaul.../Form61-4P.pdf
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 04:29
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Any current B737 airline examiner in Australia should be able to do this in a simulator, privately for you, under part 61.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 06:08
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Sure, if you want to be ripped off
morno,
Wherever you go, this will cost, and the mob in Melbourne know the the cent how much a week of so, plus fares to US, costs.
After all, they are a business.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 06:39
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Who ever you are going to work for are going to put you pretty much the same thing. Unless you are contracting......
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 06:55
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Thank you for the advice everyone.


Unfortunately The Ansett simulator can no longer be used for IPC, otherwise they would have been my first choice.


The problem now is not a checker in Australia, but is hiring a simulator. Boeing is the best option however to hire their sim you must be affiliated with an Airline, which I am not.


Part 61-4p is an option but it will be costly to do overseas.


I have emailed CASA for options as well.


This is a real problem in Australia for pilots not working for an airline, I know of 6 pilots looking to do the same as me.
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I used QANTAS and their 767 SIM in Sydney to carry out a renewal about 11 years ago, it was just a matter of contacting them, working out a date/time, they provide a F/O to fill the other seat, cost was $6,000 for a 4 hour session, perhaps they can still do the same in a 737 SIM.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 14:40
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For a 737 job with one Indonesian airline, they accepted an Australian IPC in a Seminole carried out at Moorabbin. Happened only a few months ago. In other words the IPC did not have to be in a 737. All they required was a current instrument rating.
Might be worth contacting the airline in SE Asia you are going for and explaining the difficulty you face in Australia finding a 737 simulator and an Examiner. There are not many independent 737 qualified Examiners in Australia as most are tied to an airline and not permitted to conduct IPC outside that airline. Ask the SE airline concerned if they accept a current IPC not necessarily on a 737. Could save you heaps as well.

In any case you should consider renewing your IPC on a flying school light twin, anyway. Looks better than not having a current instrument rating at all on your Resume. .
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
morno,
Wherever you go, this will cost, and the mob in Melbourne know the the cent how much a week of so, plus fares to US, costs.
After all, they are a business.
Tootle pip!!
Leady, I recently enquired with a provider in Asia to do the same as the original poster (except in a Bus), hugely cheaper than Ansett in Melbourne! I can walk into the sim in Asia, knock over an OPC/IPC in 2hrs, and tick it all off. Ansett told me I had to do a practice run first basically (even though I fly the type every frigging day), therefore doubling it at least, plus their exorbitant prices.
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Originally Posted by VH DSJ View Post
Here's the CASA form if you do it in the USA or any other of the approved countries. There's a thread about this already on here. You'll need to use the search function.

https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/defaul.../Form61-4P.pdf
Thanks for posting the link to that form. I didn't know we were able to do that.
I am going to do a refresher course on the 777 shortly. I am familiar with the EASA regulation regarding the amount of sim and ground school required for an expired rating. I have searched the CASA website looking for information regarding this but no luck so far. I am about 18 months out of the saddle!
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Thanks for posting the link to that form. I didn't know we were able to do that.
I am going to do a refresher course on the 777 shortly. I am familiar with the EASA regulation regarding the amount of sim and ground school required for an expired rating. I have searched the CASA website looking for information regarding this but no luck so far. I am about 18 months out of the saddle!
No worries. I had to find all this out myself. The CASA website wasn't at all helpful so I emailed CLARC and someone there had a vague idea of the process.

You'll need to inform the overseas examiner that he/she will need to tick the boxes on the CASA IPC form 61-1512 (just the flight component section). https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/default/files/instrument-rating-proficiency-check-checklist-form-61-1512.pdf

You then get a CASA approved Flight Examiner to tick the ground knowledge component tick boxes on the form. Any ATO/FE can do the ground component; it doesn't have to be one rated on type. He/she then signs you off on your license and submits the paper work to CASA, including a copy of the foreign examiner's license and the foreign simulator's qualification certificate.
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 01:33
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Nothing is simple. The form 61-4P lists approved foreign States allowed to conduct the flight test. The only Asian country there is Hong Kong, but then it bangs on about others maybe holding a Legislative Instrument. Ask the question of the simulator centre that you propose to use and require a copy of their CASA approval before parting with any money.
If you absolutely must do it in a B737, I would suggest you identify where and when you can do the flight test, then find a tame FE here who can log into the CASA Flight Test Management System and nominate a place, date and time for the test. The catch for an independent FE would be nominating an AOC number, so that person will need to be affiliated with a Part 141 or 142 training organisation.
I looked at renewing an IPC for a colleague independently in a light twin, and although my privileges technically allow this, it was impossible to simply jump in his aircraft and just do it without an AOC to quote.

Re the other query about what time limit is imposed before recurrent training is called for, under current CASA rules there is no limit. An IPC on type revalidates all. It is up to the Examiner to determine whether the standard has been met. Depending on your experience and skill level, 18 months out of the saddle should not require much more than a dry run the day preceding the test.
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