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FAA ATPL to NZ ATPL

Old 14th Jul 2019, 17:54
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FAA ATPL to NZ ATPL

Only old posts on this. Has anyone recently converted their ATPL to NZ? I see some posts that indicate you just take the NZ Laws exam and a checkride. Also, I hear that you can take the ride in Australia (easier), then use the TTMRA to get a NZ ATPL. If you have experienced any of this, please advise. Thanks.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 02:47
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Got an email from NZ CAA that doing a checkride in Australia will cost a candidate at least more than $5K to $10K to cover NZ CAA inspector's fees.

I need to do the conversion sometimes later this year as well and it seems the cheapest way is to get it done within the Air New Zealand Sim Center however you must be typed in an airplane that Air NZ sim center has its sims for. Thus B777, B737CL, A320 etc only.

NZ CAA also said FAA ATP and Type Rating Circ Apch - VMC Only aren't need to be removed prior to the conversion because you will demonstrate Circ Apch in IMC during the chrckride.

In addition to that, you must have N-reg 500 hrs PIC or 1000 hrs SIC in multi-crew airplanes (that requires 2 pilots by FAR Part 25) to do a simple Air Law + checkride instead of full ATPL theories.

This is all I know.

Cheers.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 06:46
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I think converting to a CASA ATP then applying for the NZ ATPL via the TTMRA in theory would be cheap and easier but, and it’s a big but...I’m sure in the paperwork there’s a question asking whether your Australian ATP was issued on the basis of a conversion from a foreign licence which would spoil that option.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 10:13
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Originally Posted by mattyj View Post
I think converting to a CASA ATP then applying for the NZ ATPL via the TTMRA in theory would be cheap and easier but, and itís a big but...Iím sure in the paperwork thereís a question asking whether your Australian ATP was issued on the basis of a conversion from a foreign licence which would spoil that option.
There is nothing cheap or easy about the conversion from FAA to CASA. CASA is a complete clusterfvck and the AOSA test is the dumbest thing Iíve ever seen.

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Old 15th Jul 2019, 15:25
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Good point. Thanks.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 22:27
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Thanks for the info. I have a B737NG type (good for all 737's in US), but there's is 737CL. If a common type, we could have possibly worked out a ride together and maybe cut a "twofer" deal.
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If the objective is a NZ ATPL, do not be tempted to stop over in Aus and do the CASA ATPL then convert via the TTMRA. As mentioned, if the Aus licence is a conversion from another licence, there could be a problem with having the follow on conversion to NZ accepted.
With B737NG on your FAA ATP you should be able to do the test on a 737 classic simulator in NZ. It is all the same type rating. I believe the old Air NZ device is now owned by Air Chathams. Someone else should know its status.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 00:45
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli View Post
If the objective is a NZ ATPL, do not be tempted to stop over in Aus and do the CASA ATPL then convert via the TTMRA. As mentioned, if the Aus licence is a conversion from another licence, there could be a problem with having the follow on conversion to NZ accepted.
With B737NG on your FAA ATP you should be able to do the test on a 737 classic simulator in NZ. It is all the same type rating. I believe the old Air NZ device is now owned by Air Chathams. Someone else should know its status.
Again, great info. Yes, I want the NZ ATPL. If I could use the 737 sim, that would be the airplane that I am most comfortable with. I will look up Air Chathams. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli View Post
With B737NG on your FAA ATP you should be able to do the test on a 737 classic simulator in NZ. It is all the same type rating. I believe the old Air NZ device is now owned by Air Chathams. Someone else should know its status.


Worth double checking with CAA on that one. CASA gave me both NG and Classic variants on my license for the same rating, but NZ CAA would only give me the NG Variants (as that's what I was operating). Insisted I do a differences course (in a SIM) if I wanted the Classic on my license.

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Old 16th Jul 2019, 01:20
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Will do. I will call CAA tomorrow to get the answer, then I will post it to let you know. Thanks.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 05:25
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Originally Posted by lee_apromise View Post
Got an email from NZ CAA that doing a checkride in Australia will cost a candidate at least more than $5K to $10K to cover NZ CAA inspector's fees.

I need to do the conversion sometimes later this year as well and it seems the cheapest way is to get it done within the Air New Zealand Sim Center however you must be typed in an airplane that Air NZ sim center has its sims for. Thus B777, B737CL, A320 etc only.

NZ CAA also said FAA ATP and Type Rating Circ Apch - VMC Only aren't need to be removed prior to the conversion because you will demonstrate Circ Apch in IMC during the chrckride.

In addition to that, you must have N-reg 500 hrs PIC or 1000 hrs SIC in multi-crew airplanes (that requires 2 pilots by FAR Part 25) to do a simple Air Law + checkride instead of full ATPL theories.

This is all I know.

Cheers.
I don't think Air NZ have a 737 sim any more. I think you'll find it was sold some time ago to another operator, but isn't operational yet.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 06:01
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You can just about forget getting an NZ ATPL
I wanted to convert an FAA or Canadian ATPL and
eventually senior NZ pilots gave me the low down.
Dont both getting an NZ ATPL as only the national airline
has that power.

The only way is to do it in Australia and then convert that to an NZ.
I gave up the idea. Then gave up getting my ATPL in Aus and just
settled for a commercial despite supposedly being able to "convert".

That conversion costs are prohibitive for me and not worth the need at present.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 06:15
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I have done it less than 2 years ago. Its not too complex but there are lots of different people involved and getting things to line up in a timely manner is not easy. CASA is much slower and more difficult to deal with than NZ CAA in my experience.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 06:33
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Great work Trout Slayer,
At first I had a very positive impression of NZCAA however, as you say, I could not line up what was required and in my case, gave up.
CASA are more likely to kill pilots with stress than accidents.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 10:14
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Originally Posted by SCPL_1988 View Post
Dont both getting an NZ ATPL as only the national airline
has that power.
That is incorrect. There are other options.
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