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Light aircraft crash Leigh Creek

Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
Nil wind conditions I calculate had them landing on sunset. Tragic outcome for what could have been a greater than expected headwind.
They left YWMC at 4PM. I know someone who flies a Jabiru & he reckons it's 148 miles from YWMC to YLEC & should have taken 1&1/2 hours - which means he should have arrived here at around 5:30PM unless he went sightseeing on the way. Conditions on the ground were virtually calm - however I know that might not be the case in flight.

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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:08
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
Oh that's dreadful -
Is it me or do others feel a little kick in the guts when we read that fellow aviators have made their last flight?
I only hope that something comes out of this tragedy that others can learn from -
I felt more than a little kick in the guts knowing I was the last person to speak to him. Maybe I should have just shut up & let him get on with it, but I doubt whether it would have altered the outcome.

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Originally Posted by kaz3g View Post


What happened to the reported other aircraft DF?
It had already landed. Presumably it was them that got the lights on.

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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:12
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What are you implying Capt Fathom ?

I think he means (like our friend BH) that he doesn't classify those types as aircraft.

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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:18
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According to the local news, the female passenger in the crash aircraft was the wife of the pilot of the other aircraft and had changed aircraft at William Creek on a whim.

With todays navigation equipment, even in a RAAus aircraft, once you are in the cruise you know to the minute when you will arrive at your destination. If that is after last light the correct decision is clear. Hopefully the surviving pilot will shed some light on what happened so we can all learn from it.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:54
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[QUOTE]I felt more than a little kick in the guts knowing I was the last person to speak to him. Maybe I should have just shut up & let him get on with it, but I doubt whether it would have altered the outcome.[/QUOTE]

I remember a time that a VFR pilot up in the Strait's got caught out in IMC conditions..... if it wasn't for the pilot who calmly kept advising said pilot until regaining VFR (quite some time) it very likely would not have had the successful outcome it did.

You have to give it a go, you did, but sadly sometimes it just doesn't work.

As always, just a tragic and sad event.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 10:03
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Iíll never forget chatting to a chap and his wife at Temora one afternoon at a flying event. Later that afternoon they took off for Cootamundra with nowhere near enough time remaining before last light... and they didnít make it there. I often wonder to this day why they did that. Itís not like they didnít have a gps or a watch.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 10:35
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Leigh Creek PAL has been problematic for well over a year, most of my arrivals result in orbiting over the top repeatedly trying to get them on and often someone on the ground has to turn them on. If the pilot and or aircraft were not rated or equipped for NVFR he would have no doubt had rising anxiety with a late arrival and little daylight remaining. A read of the ERSA NVFR procedures for YLEC would have likely ramped this up considerably for him and with the lights now not activating the stress levels could have been extreme. Of course this is all speculation, he may well have been a seasoned night pilot and was happily waiting overhead above LSALT and had an entirely unrelated other issue unfold. Either way there are now decent folk who have had the world ripped apart, all very sad.
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Originally Posted by Desert Flower View Post
I think he means (like our friend BH) that he doesn't classify those types as aircraft.

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i think I might have to disagree with BH on this one as another friend has a Brumby and it might be an exception to BHís classification.
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If he declared a May day as stated perhaps he ran out of fuel waiting for the lights to go on?
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 13:11
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Originally Posted by Obidiah View Post
Leigh Creek PAL has been problematic for well over a year, most of my arrivals result in orbiting over the top repeatedly trying to get them on and often someone on the ground has to turn them on. If the pilot and or aircraft were not rated or equipped for NVFR he would have no doubt had rising anxiety with a late arrival and little daylight remaining. A read of the ERSA NVFR procedures for YLEC would have likely ramped this up considerably for him and with the lights now not activating the stress levels could have been extreme. Of course this is all speculation, he may well have been a seasoned night pilot and was happily waiting overhead above LSALT and had an entirely unrelated other issue unfold. Either way there are now decent folk who have had the world ripped apart, all very sad.
Obidiah, as I stated before - the lights were definitely on. Witnessed by my husband who drove part way there ( & who is usually the person that has to go out there & turn them on for you & also do roo runs because the ARO can't be contacted after hours) & also by my son who could see the beacon flash over the top of the hills from our house which is 5km north.

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Old 7th Jul 2019, 13:18
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Originally Posted by On eyre View Post


i think I might have to disagree with BH on this one as another friend has a Brumby and it might be an exception to BHís classification.
Good luck with that! When I told him the vet from Wallaroo had bought a plane he asked me what type & when I said a Jabiru his reply was I thought you said he bought a b****y plane!

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Old 7th Jul 2019, 13:23
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If he declared a May day as stated perhaps he ran out of fuel waiting for the lights to go on?
The fact that there was no post impact fire & according to a SAPOL officer no smell of fuel around the wreckage would certainly seem to indicate that. However as I've said before - the lights were definitely on. It baffles me why it happened.

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Old 7th Jul 2019, 13:31
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Originally Posted by Desert Flower View Post
Good luck with that! When I told him the vet from Wallaroo had bought a plane he asked me what type & when I said a Jabiru his reply was I thought you said he bought a b****y plane!

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Wasnít talking about Jabiru - IMHO the Brumby is a completely different kettle of fish 😳
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Originally Posted by mostlytossas View Post
If he declared a May day as stated perhaps he ran out of fuel waiting for the lights to go on?
Not very likely.
If they left YWMC at 4PM to fly a 148 mile leg to YLEC,- which Desert F states should have taken 1.5 hours, they should have had
plenty of go juice left. They refueled at YWMC and I'm assuming they took on full fuel.
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Not very likely.
If they left YWMC at 4PM to fly a 148 mile leg to YLEC,- which Desert F states should have taken 1.5 hours, they should have had
plenty of go juice left. They refueled at YWMC and I'm assuming they took on full fuel.
Might be wrong assumption too noting probable fuel price differential ?
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Originally Posted by On eyre View Post


Wasnít talking about Jabiru - IMHO the Brumby is a completely different kettle of fish 😳
It's still an ultralight - & in his books they're not aeroplanes.

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Old 7th Jul 2019, 13:39
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Originally Posted by Desert Flower View Post
It's still an ultralight - & in his books they're not aeroplanes.

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I will discuss it with hm next week 👍
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Originally Posted by cowl flaps View Post
Not very likely.
If they left YWMC at 4PM to fly a 148 mile leg to YLEC,- which Desert F states should have taken 1.5 hours, they should have had
plenty of go juice left. They refueled at YWMC and I'm assuming they took on full fuel.
It should have taken him 1.5 hours, but given that he departed YWMC at 4PM & didn't arrive here until last light which was at 5.55PM then perhaps he didn't have full fuel.

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Old 7th Jul 2019, 13:58
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Originally Posted by Desert Flower View Post
It should have taken him 1.5 hours, but given that he departed YWMC at 4PM & didn't arrive here until last light which was at 5.55PM then perhaps he didn't have full fuel.

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Yeah,- I just tried to find the media article regarding the fuel, and it's not there anymore.
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