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Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:41
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Jet feeder to Qantas

Iím sure thereís another post here but itís late and my Google-fu is off kilt. Looks like Iím headed to the regionals as Iím not having much luck with the corporate side here in Aus.

that said, with 3000 hours of time, mostly super-mid corporate VIP/VVIP jet, which regionals should I be focused on if I want the following:
1) Brisbane base
2) Jet (not turboprop)
3) flow through to Qantas mainline

looks like Cobham, but Iím a newb to the airline side of aviation.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:49
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I donít think you can find anyone with those requirements. Cobham does not flow through to Qantas.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:52
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I doubt any recruiters will have a box to tick under the “super mid corporate VIP/VVIP?” Category...
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 16:21
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Originally Posted by Texanav8r View Post
Iím sure thereís another post here but itís late and my Google-fu is off kilt. Looks like Iím headed to the regionals as Iím not having much luck with the corporate side here in Aus.

that said, with 3000 hours of time, mostly super-mid corporate VIP/VVIP jet, which regionals should I be focused on if I want the following:
1) Brisbane base
2) Jet (not turboprop)
3) flow through to Qantas mainline

looks like Cobham, but Iím a newb to the airline side of aviation.
Mate, Iíd stick with your ďsuper-mid corporate VIP/VVIP jetĒ hero gig.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 16:51
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S/O 787?
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 17:44
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Iíd apply directly to Qantas mainline.

With only a few thousand hours and no real Ďfeederí airlines, you may as well get in and get your seniority number before recruitment stops again.

Lifestyle of the new hire second officers 787 is pretty good from what Iím told and you would qualify for a 737 FO slot reasonably quick.

Some see the SO role as beneath them, but the pay and lifestyle canít be beat, especially in the long run.

Starting elsewhere as an FO would be on lesser conditions and delay getting a seniority number..
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 22:20
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Originally Posted by Dunda View Post


Mate, Iíd stick with your ďsuper-mid corporate VIP/VVIP jetĒ hero gig.

Of course that would be nice, but having moved to Aus, it doesnít seem to be on the table anymore. 😕

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Old 26th Jun 2019, 22:22
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
Iíd apply directly to Qantas mainline.

With only a few thousand hours and no real Ďfeederí airlines, you may as well get in and get your seniority number before recruitment stops again.

Lifestyle of the new hire second officers 787 is pretty good from what Iím told and you would qualify for a 737 FO slot reasonably quick.

Some see the SO role as beneath them, but the pay and lifestyle canít be beat, especially in the long run.

Starting elsewhere as an FO would be on lesser conditions and delay getting a seniority number..
interesting; didnít even think that mainlines were an option as all my time was FAA part 91 with no 135/121 time. Guess Iíll go chat with a recruiter a bit more directly there to see what they say. Thanks!
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 22:23
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US Style 'Flow' doesn't exist within the QF Group, but all group employees have the opportunity to apply internally prior to external candidates (minor differences in the hiring process- nil real advantage). If a turboprop is so beneath you with 3000 hours, you have no options for a Brisbane base within the group.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 22:27
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So next question because there’s definitely a language barrier between FAA and CASA. Qantas FO direct entry page lists requirement as command time not under supervision. What exactly do you guys count as command time? Does delivering 172/182/206 cessnas across the US count as command time, or is command time only time when you are operating on a 121/135 certificate?
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 23:07
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Command time is when you were pilot in command. ICUS is not counted.

Qantas mainline does not do direct entry FO. You must be looking at a subsidiary of Qantas.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 23:42
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Mate, I think youíre confusing a lot of people here with terms like part 91/125/131. They donít exist in Australia.

The most important thing is you need residency and the right to work here.

As far as hours go you only need to meet the minimums listed for recruitment (500 PIC or 300 Multi engine PIC or 150 PIC/100 ICUS/1500 Turbine FO) to apply. Even though it is the most common path you donít necessarily need to have flown for a regional airline prior to joining mainline. In fact in Australian pilots have gone from flying C172/182/206s in charter jobs, or instructing on C172s directly to mainline jobs on 787/330s.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 23:46
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Originally Posted by Texanav8r View Post
So next question because there’s definitely a language barrier between FAA and CASA. Qantas FO direct entry page lists requirement as command time not under supervision. What exactly do you guys count as command time? Does delivering 172/182/206 cessnas across the US count as command time, or is command time only time when you are operating on a 121/135 certificate?
Ok. You need to have a thinking adjustment. Things are different here.

Command time is when you are in command of an aircraft. Towing a glider in a Pawnee is command time. Doing circuits in a Cub is command time.You can count a number of hours in gliders and ultralights as command time. The whole "part 121/135/91" etc. is fairly new to Aus, so we're hardly going to make that a requirement.

QF have not hired direct entry FOs in decades. The entry position is SO, which is essentially a cruise-relief pilot. You don't do take-offs or landings (as in, you are not in either SEAT for takeoff or landing). Promotion to FO is on seniority and it depends on what's happening at the time- I've known guys who were 12 year SOs, others have transitioned in 18 months.

Have you looked at Virgin, Tiger (though that IS Virgin these days) and Jetstar? Also Alliance has a big presence in Brisbane- you won't get based there initially, but it would be an option at some time in the future.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 12:54
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but I’m a newb to the airline side of aviation.
Just make sure your logged instrument flight time is honest personal time you were handling pilot and not simply because you were on an IFR flight plan. Different countries have different rules when it comes to legal logging of instrument flight time. In Australian airline operation, only the handling pilot can log instrument flight time assuming of course it was IMC. Interviewers may regard unusually high instrument flight time when compared to grand total flight time, with well-founded suspicion.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 15:14
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Yep, in 10,000 hours Iíve got 400 or so instrument flight time, but at least 9000 hours was under the IFR.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 21:06
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You might be able to apply for a VVVIP gig in the country.....
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 21:28
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Have a crack at Aus corporate scene if that’s what you want. Mind you I heard the numbers that applied for the recent Crown gig were huge. Most places no doubt who you know. Go knock on some doors.....

As for the sarcastic cracks at a fella for saying VIP work and super mid sized, well that’s what it is. So are Aussies having a go at ya for no reason.

Airline scene I certainly don’t know.

Another thought if you FAA license try and find all the N registered aircraft in Aus (PM me when ya do ).

Ya never ever know unless have never ever go...

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 06:30
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 06:44
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From the AFAP pilot Link for Learjet slot.

"Avcair has an exciting position available for an exceptional individual".

Reads more like they are looking for a female stripper than a pilot. Especially as the blurb adds "and be comfortable working in a 24/7 rotational on call basis."
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 14:45
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From the AFAP pilot Link for Learjet slot.

"Avcair has an exciting position available for an exceptional individual".

Reads more like they are looking for a female stripper than a pilot. Especially as the blurb adds "and be comfortable working in a 24/7 rotational on call basis."
Is being on call 24/7 even legal? No rest period? Assuming this is at least charter not private.

Thread drift, sorry.
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