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A pair of wire cutters will be the cheap option.
Or one other I know where you can reach under the automatic gate with a shifter and undo the bolt holding the electric operating arm.
Or another where a sharp push will overcome the magnetic lock.
The whole thing is a sham and a farce that only serves to create more jobs in Canberra.
Q1. Anyone here with no ASIC ever landed somewhere where one was required? eg, just a quick pitstop or fuel stop, or more. What happened? Did you get bailed up by anyone, and what happened? I've not yet exactly found the info as to precisely who has any power to bail anybody up, and then do what to them? - it all seems very vague.
Q2. Who is genuinely afraid of landing at a secure regional airport with no ASIC? I'm not close enough to any to try it out.
Q2. Who is genuinely afraid of landing at a secure regional airport with no ASIC? I'm not close enough to any to try it out.
RAAus pilots don't fall under ATSR 6.55 as they don't have a pilot's LICENCE.
and don't come under the requirement for a "security designated authorisation" to operate an aircraft as every CASA licence holder does.
This is a clear double standard and another example of the uneven playing field that RAAus creates.
Of course they need one to access areas where an ASIC is required.
and don't come under the requirement for a "security designated authorisation" to operate an aircraft as every CASA licence holder does.
This is a clear double standard and another example of the uneven playing field that RAAus creates.
Of course they need one to access areas where an ASIC is required.
BTW at Jandakot you can apply for an ASIC and do the face to face document verification at Minovation.
Q1. Anyone here with no ASIC ever landed somewhere where one was required? eg, just a quick pitstop or fuel stop, or more. What happened? Did you get bailed up by anyone, and what happened? I've not yet exactly found the info as to precisely who has any power to bail anybody up, and then do what to them? - it all seems very vague.
Q2. Who is genuinely afraid of landing at a secure regional airport with no ASIC? I'm not close enough to any to try it out.
This is a clear double standard and another example of the uneven playing field that RAAus creates.
For me; living in a rural area it will be easier to front up to an issuing authority than find a JP. Finding a JP, making an appointment and getting the said JP to actually write what is required has always been an interminable hassle. That said, I detest ASIC cards and the plain stupidity of those that think this is a good idea.
I'm not talking about aerodrome access in this instance.
RAAus pilot certificate is NOT a licence therefore it isn't covered by ATSR 6.55. AVIATION TRANSPORT SECURITY REGULATIONS 2005 - REG 6.55 Exercise of privileges of flight crew licences etc
This law applies to all of Australian territory, not just the aerodromes, that's a separate issue and of course there are thousands of people who work at aerodromes who are not pilots and who have ASICs.
Leaving the aerodrome access issue aside, the point is that if your aircraft is below a certain weight you aren't required to have a security designated authorisation. It IS relevant because it is just another way that GA is made to carry the financial burden while the RA Aus people contribute nothing, because of the semantics that their flying is done on a "certificate" and not a "licence".
RAAus pilot certificate is NOT a licence therefore it isn't covered by ATSR 6.55. AVIATION TRANSPORT SECURITY REGULATIONS 2005 - REG 6.55 Exercise of privileges of flight crew licences etc
This law applies to all of Australian territory, not just the aerodromes, that's a separate issue and of course there are thousands of people who work at aerodromes who are not pilots and who have ASICs.
Leaving the aerodrome access issue aside, the point is that if your aircraft is below a certain weight you aren't required to have a security designated authorisation. It IS relevant because it is just another way that GA is made to carry the financial burden while the RA Aus people contribute nothing, because of the semantics that their flying is done on a "certificate" and not a "licence".
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It appears that from !st August you must see the issuing body or their representative in person to have your identity verified. Be interesting for Tasmanians, there is only hobart which issues to locals and stakeholders, I assume the others are required to trot off to Melbourne or Sydney or Merimbula to be verified. Sounds like a really user friendly piece of legislation.
In Tasmania, Veritas and its partner Australia Post have an OTS approved process for allowing ASIC applicants to apply online and lodge their applications for ASIC at Australia Post. There are 13 outlets in Tassie where you can lodge these applications. Yes, there is a slightly higher cost for using Australia Post but the new legislation requiring in-person checks and a few other record keeping requirements have contributed to the cost.
Veritas enables approved applicants to obtain "AUS" cards. Approval times are 1-2 weeks on average and will only require your time to complete an online application and make one trip to the post office to lodge.
The Commonwealth has set the legislation...issuing bodies have developed the means to comply.
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So, I emailed David Leyonhjelm from the Liberal Democrats Party, and sent him a link to this thread. He was previously unaware of the ASIC issue, and will be looking into it ASAP!
Having followed his party since it started, and a big supporter of them, they jump on these things all the time. Everyone follow it up with an email and maybe we can actually make an improvement to the system.
Having followed his party since it started, and a big supporter of them, they jump on these things all the time. Everyone follow it up with an email and maybe we can actually make an improvement to the system.
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I'm not talking about aerodrome access in this instance.
RAAus pilot certificate is NOT a licence therefore it isn't covered by ATSR 6.55. AVIATION TRANSPORT SECURITY REGULATIONS 2005 - REG 6.55 Exercise of privileges of flight crew licences etc
This law applies to all of Australian territory, not just the aerodromes, that's a separate issue and of course there are thousands of people who work at aerodromes who are not pilots and who have ASICs.
RAAus pilot certificate is NOT a licence therefore it isn't covered by ATSR 6.55. AVIATION TRANSPORT SECURITY REGULATIONS 2005 - REG 6.55 Exercise of privileges of flight crew licences etc
This law applies to all of Australian territory, not just the aerodromes, that's a separate issue and of course there are thousands of people who work at aerodromes who are not pilots and who have ASICs.
From CASA: "At a minimum, all pilots must undergo the background checks for an AVID. Only those pilots who require access to a secure area of a security controlled airport will need to undergo the more robust background checks for an ASIC."
thunderbird five - never done it, but in Canberra if you leave the airside area you have to call airport security to get back in. If you don't have an ASIC (they do ask to see it, and actually confirm that the photo bears a resemblence to the user) then you will not be allowed in.
Q1. Anyone here with no ASIC ever landed somewhere where one was required? eg, just a quick pitstop or fuel stop, or more. What happened? Did you get bailed up by anyone, and what happened? I've not yet exactly found the info as to precisely who has any power to bail anybody up, and then do what to them? - it all seems very vague.
Q2. Who is genuinely afraid of landing at a secure regional airport with no ASIC? I'm not close enough to any to try it out.
Q2. Who is genuinely afraid of landing at a secure regional airport with no ASIC? I'm not close enough to any to try it out.
Imagine a hypothetical capital city. Let's call it Arrebnac. The airport at this hypothetical city is security controlled and surrounded by Class C airspace. This gives the pollies and punters who fly in and out of Arrebnac the warm inner glow of security.
Let's also assume there's a hypothetical country town with an airfield near Arrebnac. Let's call that airfield Nrubluog. Nrubluog is neither security controlled nor surrounded by Class C airspace. There are lots and places like Nrubluog in this hypothetical country.
Imagine if anyone could put in a flight plan to fly from Nrubloug to Arrebnac, and that air traffic control would give the aircraft an airways clearance and a clearance to land at Arrebnac, without air traffic control or security personnel at Arrebnac knowing whether the pilot has an ASIC or even a pilot's licence!
Imagine if that pilot could fly that aircraft, full of fuel, right over top of a hypothetical gathering of elected representatives called Tnemailrap House!
Imagine if that pilot could land at Arrenbac without anyone meeting the aircraft on arrival to check that the pilot has an ASIC!
Now I realise that these are completely fantastical hypothetical circumstances that would never happen. And no terrorist would risk being prosecuted for flying into a security controlled airport without a pilot's licence and ASIC - the fines would add up to tens of thousands of dollars.
But can you imagine what the knee jerk response would be if it were true and pollies put pressure on OTS to do something about it? More cost and more inconvenience to people who are no risk to security, with no actual increase in security.
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Couldn't agree more. Large scale industrial action, anyone? Surely 50-100 GA aircraft converging on Arrenbac when politicians are all wanting to fly back clogging up the airspace and delaying their taxpayer funded burner seats would be an attention getter? Hypothetically speaking?
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How many actually have a Birth Certificate they can produce as this is now a mandated requirement under the new rules? A full certificate, not an extract.
Your passport is no longer sufficient.
Wait, you say. I had to produce my BC to get my passport. No matter says Canberra...we know better than to rely on that!
So add another $100 or so to the next renewal and take your passport as your documentary proof of ID to the BDM Registry.
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Your passport is no longer sufficient.
Wait, you say. I had to produce my BC to get my passport. No matter says Canberra...we know better than to rely on that!
So add another $100 or so to the next renewal and take your passport as your documentary proof of ID to the BDM Registry.
Kaz
There was I thinking that Arrebnac was well secured by Gate 3. Good point though, L.B. as no one checks who leaves. (Or even if they do..)
You might wonder why terrorists would go to all of the trouble of flying a very small aircraft with a tiny amount of fuel to strike a terrorising blow, when a thousand times more damage could be done by simply hijacking a fuel tanker. However, as I said: These are completely fantastical hypothetical circumstances.
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Face to face interview with ASIC renewal
Seems like we are doubling down on meaningless bureaucracy.
What's the story here - was there a near miss with a very unoriginal terrorist getting an ASIC in the post or is some bureaucrat new to the job and wanting to make their mark!?
What's the story here - was there a near miss with a very unoriginal terrorist getting an ASIC in the post or is some bureaucrat new to the job and wanting to make their mark!?
The way in which you ‘increase’ security is to make law abiding citizens do increasingly pointless and expensive things. Why? Because. That’s why!
I assuming you're just referring to the face-to-face meeting where you pick up the ASIC? If so, it's just to verify your identity documents and photos etc.
Funny thing is that those identity documents, with photos, aren’t themselves sufficient to gain access to a security controlled area.
It would be a jolly jape to find out how many ASIC applications are actually knocked back. That way we would know the ‘benefit’ that’s gained in return for the costs.
What cracks me up is that no one has yet to notice that one of my crucially important, original and face-to-face confirmed identity documents doesn’t have the same name on it as the other documents. Might as well say Donald Duck.
Typical Australian government amateur hour - except for the fee charged.
It would be a jolly jape to find out how many ASIC applications are actually knocked back. That way we would know the ‘benefit’ that’s gained in return for the costs.
What cracks me up is that no one has yet to notice that one of my crucially important, original and face-to-face confirmed identity documents doesn’t have the same name on it as the other documents. Might as well say Donald Duck.
Typical Australian government amateur hour - except for the fee charged.